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REGULAR MEETING
FOUNTAIN HILLS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
Chairperson Peter Gray
Vice Chairperson Rick Watts
Commissioner Clayton Corey
Commissioner Patrick Dapaah
Commissioner Dan Kovacevic
Commissioner Phil Sveum
Commissioner Scott Schlossberg
TIME:6:00 P.M. – REGULAR MEETING
WHEN:MONDAY, AUGUST 12, 2024
WHERE:FOUNTAIN HILLS COUNCIL CHAMBERS
16705 E. AVENUE OF THE FOUNTAINS, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ
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REGULAR MEETING
1.CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND MOMENT OF SILENCE – Chairperson Gray
2.ROLL CALL – Chairperson Gray
3.CALL TO THE PUBLIC
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4.CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: approving the regular meeting minutes of the
Planning and Zoning Commission July 8, 2024.
5.HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERATION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION: A request for approval
of a Special Use Permit for property located at 12005 N.Panorama to allow residential use of
commercially zoned property.
6.CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERATION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION: Ordinance #24-13
amending Zoning Ordinance Section 5.14, Home Occupations, regarding allowances for
on-street parking.
7.COMMISSION DISCUSSION/REQUEST FOR RESEARCH to staff.
8.SUMMARY OF COMMISSION REQUESTS from Development Services Director.
9.REPORT from Development Services Director.
10.ADJOURNMENT
CERTIFICATE OF POSTING OF NOTICE
The undersigned hereby certifies that a copy of the foregoing notice was duly posted in accordance with the statement filed
by the Planning and Zoning Commission with the Town Clerk.
Dated this ______ day of ____________________, 2024.
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Paula Woodward, Executive Assistant
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ITEM 4.
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STAFF REPORT
Meeting Date: 08/12/2024 Meeting Type: Planning and Zoning Commission
Agenda Type: Submitting Department: Development Services
Prepared by: Paula Woodward, Executive Assistant
Staff Contact Information: Paula Woodward, Executive Assistant
Request to Planning and Zoning Commission (Agenda Language): CONSIDERATION AND
POSSIBLE ACTION: approving the regular meeting minutes of the Planning and Zoning Commission July
8, 2024.
Staff Summary (Background)
The intent of approving meeting minutes is to ensure an accurate account of the discussion and action
that took place at the meeting for archival purposes. Approved minutes are placed on the Town's
website and maintained as permanent records in compliance with state law.
Related Ordinance, Policy or Guiding Principle
N/A
Risk Analysis
N/A
Recommendation(s) by Board(s) or Commission(s)
N/A
Staff Recommendation(s)
Staff recommends approving the meeting minutes of the regular meeting minutes of the Planning and
Zoning Commission July 8, 2024.
SUGGESTED MOTION
MOVE to approve the regular meeting minutes of the Planning and Zoning Commission July 8, 2024.
Attachments
Minute Summary and Verbatim Transcript
Planning and Zoning Commission July 8, 2024 1 of 2
TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS SUMMARY MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION JULY 8, 2024 1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND MOMENT OF SILENCE
Vice Chairperson Watts called the Regular Meeting of the Fountain Hills Planning and Zoning Commission held on July 8, 2024, to order at 6:00 p.m. and led the Commission and audience in the Pledge of Allegiance and Moment of Silence. 2. ROLLCALL
Commissioners Present: Chairperson Peter Gray (telephonically); Vice Chairperson Rick Watts; Commissioner Clayton Corey; Commissioner Patrick Dapaah; Commissioner Dan Kovacevic, Commissioner Scott Schlossberg and Commissioner Phil Sveum (telephonically) Staff Present: Development Services Director John Wesley and Executive Assistant Paula Woodward.
3. CALL TO THE PUBLIC
None 4. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: approving the regular meeting minutes of the Planning and Zoning June 10, 2024. MOVED BY Commissioner Corey to approve the regular meeting minutes of the
Planning and Zoning June 10, 2024 SECONDED BY Commissioner Dapaah. Vote: 6-0, Commissioner Sveum abstained. 5. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: Ordinance #24-08 amending Chapter 17, Wireless Telecommunication Towers and Antenna.
The following residents addressed the Commission: Lori Troller
6. MOVED BY Chair Gray to forward a recommendation of no recommendation to the Town Council regarding Ordinance #24-08 amending Chapter 17, Wireless Telecommunication Towers and Antenna. SECONDED BY Commissioner Dapaah. Vote:7-0 Unanimously Commissioner Corey Aye Commissioner Dapaah Aye Commissioner Kovacevic Aye Commissioner Schlossberg Aye Commissioner Sveum Aye
Vice Chair Watts Aye Chair Gray Aye
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7. COMMISSION DISCUSSION/REQUEST FOR RESEARCH to staff.
Vice Chair Watts mentioned bicycles and pedestrians. 8. SUMMARY OF COMMISSION REQUESTS from Development Services Director.
9. REPORT from Development Services Director. Mr. Wesley stated that the August meeting will include two Special Use Permits and one text amendment. 10. ADJOURNMENT Vice Chair Watts adjourned the Regular meeting of the Fountain Hills Planning and Zoning Commission held on July 8, 2024 at 8:11 p.m.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
Chairperson Peter Gray
ATTESTED AND PREPARED BY:
Paula Woodward, Executive Assistant
CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are a true and correct copy of the minutes of the Regular Meeting held by the Planning and Zoning Commission, Fountain Hills in the Town Hall Council Chambers on July 8, 2024. I further certify that the meeting was duly called and
that a quorum was present.
DATED this day of July 8, 2024 Paula Woodward, Executive Assistant
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VICE CHAIR WATTS: Why don't we call this July 8th, 2024, Planning and Zoning meeting
to order? And please stand and we'll do the Pledge of Allegiance and a moment of
silence.
ALL: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic
for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay. Paula, can I get a rollcall, please?
WOODWARD: Commissioner Corey?
COREY: Here.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Dapaah?
DAPAAH: Here.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Kovacevic?
KOVACEVIC: Here.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Schlossberg?
SCHLOSSBERG: Here.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Sveum?
SVEUM: Here.
WESLEY: Vice Chair Watts?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Here.
WOODWARD: Chairman Gray?
CHAIR GRAY: Here.
WOODWARD: Thank you.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: And with that, I had this splendid introduction for Phil, but seeing
as he's not here. Sorry, Phil, we'll wait till next time. But nice to meet you.
SVEUM: Thank you.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Paula, do we have any cards for call to the public?
WOODWARD: No, Chair (sic).
VICE CHAIR WATTS: No speakers. Thank you.
Then, let's move on to item number 4, consideration of the minutes. Can I have a
motion for approving the minutes? Don't everybody speak up at once.
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COREY: I'll motion to approve minutes.
DAPAAH: I'll second that.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Sounds good. Thank you.
And do we have to do a rollcall on the minutes or just --
WOODWARD: No, you could do "all in favor".
VICE CHAIR WATTS: -- consensus? Right. We're all in favor. Consensus.
KOVACEVIC: Aye.
COREY: Aye.
DAPAAH: Aye.
SCHLOSSBERG: Aye.
WOODWARD: I didn't hear Phil or Chair Gray regarding the meeting minutes.
CHAIR GRAY: Aye, Paula.
WOODWARD: Okay.
SVEUM: I'll abstain.
WOODWARD: Okay. Six-zero.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay. So let's go to item number 5: consideration and possible
action regarding ordinance 24-08, amending chapter 17 wireless telecommunication
towers and antenna.
All yours, John.
WESLEY: Thank you, Chair. Commissioners, thank you for being here on a hot evening.
Just waiting for this PowerPoint to start here. Let's host it here. Here we go. Yes, it is.
Feels good.
Okay. So as stated, we're here this evening to continue our discussion of proposed
changes to Chapter 17 of the Zoning Ordinance dealing with wireless
telecommunication facilities.
Just a little background here just to keep the record going. We began discussion of this
topic back in early 2022 when we received some comments and concerns regarding cell
towers. Some of the specific concerns expressed were regarding concerns about them
catching fire, providing hierarchy of the site, the spacing, and requiring drive-tests to
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document a need, a need for pollution emission insurance, having a clear administrative
process and shot clocks, and concern that we didn't really proper staff to be able to
handle this topic. And both small cell and regular cell towers were part of the
discussion.
As we continued moving forward from there, council getting involved and folks showing
up there and expressing some concerns, focus was more on 5G and the number of 5G
towers that could come into town and possible health impacts from 5G. And then also,
by May of 2023 we're hearing about concerns of undergrounding of utilities.
From the concerns being expressed the town council hired Andrew Campanelli to draft
an ordinance. We received that ordinance last year and it was reviewed by staff and the
council had some discussions with Mr. Campanelli on the ordinance.
Just a few things from that ordinance. It allowed colocation of small cell wireless
facilities in the right-of-way by right, just get a building permit for those. It was silent,
did say anything about how we would regular small cell in the right-of-way that required
a new pole. Did not address broadband or separate out data services in any way. It did
not address or require underground services. And --- although NEPA requirements were
with regard to initial application, review, and approval.
Following the review with council, council directed staff to continue working on an
ordinance based on the things that we had learned. And so that's where we've been
since then, began in January meeting this year, seeking commission and public input on
what changes were needed to the codes so we know what to focus on. And most of the
comments that we'd received related back to broadband service. We continued review
in March and April, and you held a public hearing at your May meeting of a draft
ordinance.
Over the course of these various meetings, we have heard and understand that there is
concerns about our small cell in the right-of-way regulations and a desire to see an
increase in updates to that. That's not part of this project right now, it is something that
council could direct us to do at some point in the future. And we have heard concerns
about the need to make a better distinction between voice and broadband services;
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that's not in our current ordinance. As we have looked at other ordinances, looked at
what the consultant provided, we have not really found any direction on how we can do
that. In order to do that, if that is a desire of council, we really would need to hire a
consultant to bring in and focus on that type of regulation.
We've also heard the concern about undergrounding broadband service, certainly that
is a better way to provide the service, if it could be done. But that's really a separate
topic in terms of how one would go about, how the town would initiate that and
manage that type of system. So that's, again, that's really not a part of what's discussed
this evening. But again, it's understood that it's a topic of interest.
The goals we have had are to balance needs for quality of service with public safety,
limiting towers in or near residential, establishing that clear and manageable review
process, providing for the maintenance and ongoing compliance, aesthetics, and
addressing the concerns that we've heard.
So with that bit of a background, we can get into, then, the ordinance that's evolved
from the discussions that we've had. And most of this is going to be things we've talked
about the last few months. There are a few things that I have heard over the last couple
of meetings that I've put into the report, and we'll discuss this evening about some
policy modifications but a lot of it, again, is the same thing that we've been reviewing.
So this is the outline. The current ordinance on the left, the proposed outline on the
right.
So Section 17.01 sets forth the purpose, intent, and applicability with subsection A being
the purpose. Now there was some mention at one of the previous meetings that some
of the statements in there could maybe be a little stronger. And so I took a stab at
doing four of those. Instead of saying "encourage", promote; instead of "minimize",
limit; instead of "encourage", require in a couple of statements. Any thoughts, feelings
on those? Any others that -- amendments that could be made there? Comments?
Questions?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: John, I'm personally glad to see changing "encourage" to "require".
I think that strengthens it a lot. So I appreciate that.
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WESLEY: Okay.
Moving on to B, about the intent. It includes a four-part balancing test in there. There
was some comments and questions about that test and how it is used. It's really a test
of the ordinance itself. Letting anybody in the industry that's looking at this know what
went in to drafting the ordinance and what we're trying to do and accomplish with the
ordinance. And so the four-part test really applies to looking at the ordinance itself and
is it doing the things it says: enabling the services, minimizing the towers, minimizing
impacts, and complying with the TCA. And we feel it does those things.
And the next part of 17.01 is applicability. The first part to that, just moving from
another portion of the code with current requirements. There are a couple of additional
sections that's been in there since we began. One was to -- because of the separation of
the different elements of our wireless communication ordinance having the small
cellular right-of-way in a different location, we added that statement in here, so
anybody looking in this ordinance would know where to look for the small cell right-of-
way. And then we've also had some questions over time about what are often called
COWs, cells on wheels. When we have special events or we have outages in some
places, or they're changing out a tower, then you bring in the temporary on-wheels
tower and you have your regulations for those. So we've added some of that in here.
The first one being that if it's for seven days or less, you basically can do. Things that are
longer than that would require any further review.
From there we move into Section 17.02, definition section. We propose to add three
additional definitions to what is in the current ordinance. One is for utility service
antennas. These are those little antennas you'll see on utility boxes around some
places. There's one out here off of La Montana by the bus stop. Those types of things
have been cropping up lately as the utilities put in communication devices between
different boxes, just put switches, and turn it on and off valves and those types of
things. And so we didn't really have those covered in any way in the ordinance. So
we've added that language in here and it starts with this definition.
And then just basic definition of what we mean by wireless communication and wireless
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facility. Those weren't in the current ordinance.
Going on from there, we move into Section 17.03, which is the general requirements
section. And so this provides this kind of overall list of the types of things that we
typically need to see and review with regard to different types of cell tower applications.
They're not all required in every case but gives an overall view of what we're looking for.
And so again, here's a list, not comprehensive but some of the main things that are
covered in this particular section.
In the current ordinance we did add some more details with regard to aesthetics than
what's in the current ordinance, to try to minimize those adverse impacts on the views
that might happen with cell towers.
And again a section on utility service antennas because that's a new piece.
KOVACEVIC: Do you want comments now or you want them later --
WESLEY: Now, is fine with me if it's okay with the chairman.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Any time you're ready.
KOVACEVIC: So in the -- we were given model ordinances, for lack of a better term. A
number of the other ordinances required monopole towers and prohibited lattice
towers, and also required stealth technology. And I don't see where we've made that
restriction. Is that intentional or is that -- and what's -- if not, why not?
WESLEY: Vice Chair, Commissioner Kovacevic, so we haven't taken the step of
monopoles. I think we could. I think that's what we're most likely going to see anyway.
But if we could look at a place to add the monopoles, most of the aesthetic design
criteria in here are getting towards making it stealth by hiding it, disguising it. Again,
maybe, that could be a little bit stronger, but that's the intent of a lot of the aesthetic
standards, they just don't use the word "stealth" anywhere.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: You have question, Patrick?
DAPAAH: John, I noticed this letter that you sent to us today addressed a lot in regards
to Section 17.03. What are your thoughts on some of these federal requirements that is
mentioned here?
WESLEY: Vice Chair, Commissioner Dapaah, I'll make a brief comment now. I put a slide
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at the end to kind of cover it a little bit more comprehensively. But with regard to this
particular piece, all the standards we pulled in here were from the consultant's draft
that they sent us. And again, that's a professional in the field who's worked these kind
of ordinances elsewhere, so we feel pretty confident that they ought to be appropriate
and ought to be within the law. It's something, given this comment, we will go back and
review with our attorney just to make sure. But I think we're pretty comfortable.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: And John, a couple of questions -- and a couple may go back a little
bit. But can you define "stealth"? What does that mean? I mean camouflage is one
thing. Impersonating a cactus is another. What is "stealth"?
WESLEY: If you're asking me?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Yes.
WESLEY: Vice Chair, stealth and camouflage are the same things. You're trying to hide
it so it's not as obvious that it's there.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Because I think that the -- I'm not sure if it's the Vulcans or the
Romulans had the stealth technology. I didn't know if we were incorporating that or
not. Another one is, how many providers can be on every tower? And along those
lines, is the output accretive? Do we look at it from that perspective or do we look at it
in a singularity?
WESLEY: So Chairman, with regard to the first question, I think it would come down to
the design of the pole and what it was designed to hold in terms of the number of
providers that can go on there. Technology's also evolved a little bit and so it may
change. Mostly, we're seeing antennas get smaller and more compact but not always.
Sometimes they are bigger. And so again, those things may affect the ultimate number
of providers that can go on a pole. And with regard to your second question, which I
couldn't repeat because I can't exactly remember how you said it, but again, it gets into
a level of technology that I probably can't really answer.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Well, I think it's something to consider because if everything has --
if it's linear and something has an output of 50, whatever that might be -- 50 decibels,
85 decibels, but if you have four and the accumulation is based on the 85 -- 340 is that
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something that we should manage to make sure that the accretive output isn't past
what the FCC regulations are?
WESLEY: And again, I really can't answer that question. The tests that are done of the
RF radiation from the antennas, I don't know if that gets into cumulative or if it is
something that just measures the individual outputs.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: The testing devices that I've looked at in kind of preparation for
this, look at the output in total. But I don't know that everyone has a different
frequency. So I'm not positive but I think it's something we ought to look into to make
sure.
And my last question is, there's an electrical meter on this site. Do you know what the
ampacity of that electrical meter is? Is it -- because that would have some limiting
effect on the number of providers as well, because the amount of equipment.
WESLEY: Chairman, no, I don't. I think that would be -- again, as I think through the
things I've seen in ordinances and what's in our ordinance, the emphasis has always
been on the tower itself and what it can hold and the engineering structure there. The
equipment base at the bottom has been less of a concern and gets updated and
changed around as needed to handle the towers that are on the pole. And so I think
they make that kind of change as needed based on the providers on the tower.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: I still think that we have some responsibility to look at the size of
the disconnect. If it's going to be a 100 amp disconnect, 200 amp, 400 amp -- some size.
Because the primary conductors are going to have to be installed, initially, by the utility
and the conduit sizes would have to be sized appropriately for the conductors. So we
wouldn't want to be tearing up streets again particularly if we're going to go eventually
look at streets. So I know that's something. I know we've talked about it in the building
codes, about how large they are, what their requirements are, phasing and that sort of
thing. So I think we should at least address that and give some consideration.
WESLEY: So just to make sure I understand, Vice Chair, that if we look at some of the
places in the code where we talk about the colocation, in addition to the engineering of
the tower, if we put in a requirement that they provide service upfront capable for the
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multiple carriers so that doesn't require that rework?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Yes.
WESLEY: Is that what you're suggesting?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Yes. If that mean, originally we put in a 100 amp disconnect and
that is sufficient to support four colocated providers, we wouldn't want to put eight on
there and then have to go back and reinvent the wheel for that to particular feature.
WESLEY: Or on the other hand, if we didn't pay attention to that upfront, and so we let
them put in 50 amp to start with and it can't support any additional providers, and they
say, oops, sorry; we can't colocate because we didn't put in enough service to start with.
We don't want to limit ourselves in that way either. So make sure they put in
sufficient --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: That's correct.
WESLEY: -- in the beginning, to cover two or three or whatever.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Correct. Thank you.
WESLEY: Okay.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay.
WESLEY: You ready to go on?
KOVACEVIC: Yeah. Just what I saw in the ordinance is what they're going to do with
electrical supply except to say it had to be underground. But what it did say, a new pole
would have to be able to handle at least three colocated facilities.
WESLEY: Okay. So moving on then with some of the general requirements, again, had
some discussions about this along the way. We've added some language, more than
what's in the current code with regard to at the time of submission, information about
the noise, and providing the acoustical information. And with an initial application we
can require noise baffling. And then also, the engineering certifications. And then move
to this section of the code.
Setbacks. Section 17.03B has information about setbacks of towers to different land
uses and also separations between towers. At the last -- so in the current code the most
restrictive is 200 feet from habitated residential use, single family to a tower, or I think,
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it's 300 percent of the height of the tower. And then from there they kind of shrink
down to not being a specific separation requirement from industrial. There was a
comment at the last meeting in May that we ought to increase those numbers, and
what I got from reviewing it was 500 feet should be the standard for all residential. And
then also to increase the separation between towers.
I haven't changed anything in the ordinance yet at this point. I felt it needed some
further discussion because it was just one comment. But did take a look at what those
numbers might mean. And kind of hard to read all that map but basically the areas in
blue are areas that are at least 500 feet away from any residential use of any kind. With
one there, and that was -- I don't think that's going to work. Let me try the mouse. This
piece right there shouldn't be on here because that's within 500 feet of a residential
use.
And then from there, if we look at where there are existing towers and apply the
separation requirements, it gives us just a few locations where a new tower could go
without required council review.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: The --
KOVACEVIC: The old --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Go ahead.
KOVACEVIC: The old ordinance was 300 feet?
WESLEY: 200 feet or 300 percent of the height of the tower. And that was just for
single-family residential. If it's multifamily or if it's zoned residential but not built yet,
just platted, those numbers start to reduce a little bit. That type of thing.
KOVACEVIC: What's the -- why would we -- if it's vacant, unplatted but zoned
residential, why would we reduce the setback if somebody's going to live there some
day?
WESLEY: Again, I didn't draft the ordinance, but I assume the idea was if the tower's
going there first and then you're platting it, you'll plat it with that in mind and adjust
your plat or people then that are buying the lots will know that the tower's there and
will make that decision, rather than the other way around if the home has been there
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first.
KOVACEVIC: That's all.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay. Commissioner Corey?
COREY: John, so this map is with the 500 feet?
WESLEY: Right.
COREY: Did you see a map that was with the 300? Did it change that much?
WESLEY: Vice Chair, Commissioner, I knew someone would ask me that question. But
no, we didn't. Because the current setup is -- it has different numbers based on
whether it's zoned and platted or it's vacant and there's just too many iterations of that
to try and put that one together to show all the variations. So we just did this to show
the impact of what 500 feet would be.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: And John, I'd suggest including the word, "minimum of 500". I
wouldn't want it to be any less and I don't think there should be much in the way of
discretion to make it less. So "minimum" should be preceding 500. And the other
question is -- that goes back to the noise. I'm not really sure how much noise these
make but wouldn't it be prudent to say that they should all have acoustical enclosures?
WESLEY: Well, all have the screen walls around them. That's the block walls around
them as a minimum.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: I'm thinking more of the -- if you walk by a genset or any type of
electronic devices, there's a buzzing that goes on. And I'd like to see that contained as
well. So an acoustical enclosure, I would recommend adding that in as a requirement.
WESLEY: Okay.
KOVACEVIC: I'd also like to add -- the old ordinance had a 50 decibel limit at the
property line and I just -- I'm in favor of that. I think that the noise section here is just --
it's too squishy. It can mean whatever anybody wants it to mean.
WESLEY: It looks like I got two of the same here by mistake. And again, Commissioners
we can make that kind of change if you'd like. The last time that the town reviewed and
updated our noise ordinance with input from our town prosecutor, he strongly advised
against using decibels because they're just so difficult to enforce ultimately. And so
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we've taken them out everywhere else in the code but if you'd like to put it back we can
certainly add that in here.
So I want to go to this table then, for just a moment if we could, and see what
consensus --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Well, before we move off of decibels I would like to affirm there's a
consistency with this type of decibel output noise. There's an inconsistency with
everything else that we've tried to measure as decibels, and I still have -- I believe the
argument is still valid, that people can be loud, there can be parties going on and so on,
so I kind of understand where it's difficult to measure based on decibels. But in this
particular case, because of the consistency of the equipment's operation, the decibel
output is going to be consistent and not inconsistent. So I think we should have it in
there.
WESLEY: Okay. Is that consensus?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay.
COREY: I think so. But if I could just ask a question, just for my clarification? Where are
we hearing this noise? What kind of tower or box would I have walked past sometime
in walking around Fountain Hills? Like, where am I hearing this? Where does the noise
come from?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: It comes from the electronic devices that -- I mean, there's
transformers, there's rectification circuits, there's all sorts of things that can generate
noise and if you don't at least limit the amount of noise, to Commissioner Kovacevic's
point, which is 50 decibels, then you could crank up that power and make it more
annoying. Because there are certain times when a transformer, for instance, buzzes and
it's extremely annoying, even in a mechanical room -- as Commissioner Dapaah can tell
you. You walk by and you may not hear it at certain times, but you can at other times
when there's a load on that particular transformer, for instance.
COREY: So are we like more proactive about this?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Yes, absolutely.
COREY: Versus there was -- it wasn't complaint-driven or something that somebody
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said, we've heard a loud one around town.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: It's experience-driven. I've --
COREY: Okay.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: -- I can attest to it. I've got Patrick's head going like this, says yes.
Everybody knows there is noise generated by electrical devices, including transformers.
So that 50 decibels at the property line makes a lot of sense. And hence the acoustical
enclosure as well.
WESLEY: Chair, thinking about what you just said in terms of at the property line, and I
guess we would want to be clear is that at the property line or is that outside the
enclosure screen wall? How far away do we really want to be? Because sometimes --
and I guess it really -- maybe it should be at the property line because you can't hear if
it's loud on the property, then I mean it's not an issue.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: The more restrictive one would be outside the enclosure. So if we
have an acoustical enclosure that's going to dampen it somewhat. But even acoustical
enclosures are designed for a certain decibel containment. So I would say if we were
outside the immediate enclosure, that's where I would like to see it. That would be as
quiet as you can get it.
WESLEY: Okay. Is that --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay?
WESLEY: Going down into the table on the setbacks. So again, Vice Chair, what I heard,
at least for these top few, maybe it's for all the residential ones, you'd like to see all
those be at least 500 feet?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: How does this table compare to the one that I just saw that had
1,500 feet?
WESLEY: No, this is separation between towers.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay. So go back -- thank you. Residences, right. Yes, this is the
one I'd like to see a minimum of 500 feet.
WESLEY: This works a little bit backwards on itself. But, basically, it says up here in 2,
that -- I think it's up here in 1. That in the table of the setbacks you have to follow,
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council may reduce those. Which basically says that that kicks you into the other review
in order to have something that's less than 500 feet away.
COREY: So it's back -- I'm sorry.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Go ahead, Commissioner Corey.
COREY: I'm sorry. Thank you. So what you're saying here is, because it's less, it's 100
feet, that gives more flexibility to have that meeting with the residents?
WESLEY: So I'm saying it's -- the way it's worded currently, because it can kick it to
council, by putting the 500 feet in here, you're not saying you'll never get one within
500 feet of a residence. It just means that in order to do it within 500 feet of any
residentially zoned property or used property, it would have to go to council for review.
COREY: Whereas right now it's within 100 feet?
WESLEY: Right now it's 300 feet. Anything closer than 300 feet has to go to council.
COREY: Okay.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: That's exactly what I'm looking for. To maximize the distance and I
don't think there's any way to prohibit anybody who doesn't like the 500 feet to go and
petition council for a variance. I think a variance is a natural thing to do. But I think that
the councilmembers need to understand the implication of making it any closer than
500 feet or allowing it any closer. So variances should be nonexistent as far as I'm
concerned.
WESLEY: Using that term "variance" to me that means it's going to the board of
adjustment. So I'm not sure you mean variance.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Well, you said town council and I interpret that as variance, so my
bad. I'd go to council and hope that they don't approve it.
WESLEY: So public review process for anything under 500 feet. And so basically -- well,
let me ask this other question then. In terms of the nonresidentially zoned piece is it
500 feet there also or is that none, like it has been? If we're trying to encourage them
to go in nonresidentially zoned property, it can't be 500 feet from residential and 500
feet away from everything else, then everything is going to require a special use permit
then why doesn't it just say that upfront?
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VICE CHAIR WATTS: Commissioner Kovacevic?
KOVACEVIC: That was my --
WESLEY: And that's fine if that's what the council --
KOVACEVIC: -- that was my --
WESLEY: -- if that's what you want to do.
KOVACEVIC: -- takeaway from this. In all eight of the model ordinances there was a
public process. They weren't all necessarily through planning commission and town
council from the various municipalities. But there were only even one or two that just
said okay, you've got to notify everybody within 750 feet of the tower or everybody
within 1,000 feet of the tower -- all the residents.
But in six of the eight, it was conditional use permits, special use permits, it was -- I
would say in probably four of the eight, it was planning commission/town council to get
approval. And so I would -- I am coming down on the side of everything's a special use
permit.
CHAIR GRAY: Chair, I concur with Commissioner Kovacevic.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: What's that do to us, John, as far as everything we've got outlined
already? I mean, if these are the guidelines, but it still requires a special use permit?
WESLEY: So the way it's drafted today -- and I'll stay here. That is shown really starting
here in terms of the types of applications. So today we have administratives, which are
mostly modifications to existing towers, but it does allow for new towers if they meet
the separation requirements. But if we're getting rid of any separation requirements for
new towers, so that piece would go away. Or it's at least going to change to 500 feet it
seems like. And then -- so the public review would be for all new towers and any
modifications to existing towers that exceed the limits that are described in the section
on the administrative review.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: So we've eliminated all of the administrative review process, if we
eliminate the table for 500 feet?
WESLEY: For new towers.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: For new towers, correct.
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WESLEY: Right.
KOVACEVIC: But are we? I mean, the -- we still have to give the tower builder a set of
design criteria. And that is part of the design criteria. You have to be 500 feet from the
property line if that's where we're coming down on this. I don't think that the table
goes away. I think the table has to be in there and just -- that's part of what the builder
has to hit, or the permit he has to hit.
WESLEY: Chair, Commissioner, just to make sure I'm clear on that. So that sounds like
you're saying that if you are less than 500 feet away from any residential use of any
kind, you just can't go in. And then if you're beyond that, then you can apply for a
special use permit. Is that what you are suggesting?
KOVACEVIC: No. I'm not saying you can't go in, but if you come in at less than 500 feet,
your application is less likely to be approved. You're won't -- you're swimming upstream
in a big way. I mean, I guess, who knows if we're -- I mean, if we need the tower we
should have the flexibility to do the tower, but it should be part of the criteria that
we're, I think, 500 feet. Again, if that's what we decided. I mean, I think Paradise Valley
which is built up as 300 and so at some point -- at 300 I would say absolutely. If they're
less than 300 they shouldn't come in. But I -- hard and fast, I don't know how hard and
fast it has to be. If they come in for, lack of a better word, a variance.
WESLEY: I'm not sure which direction you want to go, but I'll point out this one page
that was coming up on the slides and that's in terms of the hierarchy of sites, is another
way to approach this, either in conjunction with or instead of. Because it sounds like, at
least some of what you're trying to do is direct them to be as far away from residential
as possible. And so if that's what we want, then we should maybe make it as easy as
possible to go where you really want them. If, a minute ago we were saying everything
should have a special use permit, then it really doesn't matter if you're applying in a
residential or commercial, you'd have to go through a special use permit. So again,
maybe it's this hierarchy of sites criteria, where you've got to -- if you're trying to go in a
residential area you've really got to justify why you're going there versus the ones we
really give a priority to in the industrial areas or the commercial areas.
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VICE CHAIR WATTS: John, why couldn't we do both? Why couldn't we say in order to
apply for a special use permit you have to meet this minimum conditions; that 500-foot
threshold? I mean, I think it effectively does the same thing that Commissioner
Kovacevic said is what we're trying to do, it's not an either/or, it's a "it-has-to-be".
We've given them design specifications that if you want to apply, which you are
required to do, consider the fact that at a minimum you have to be 500 feet.
WESLEY: We could do that.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay.
WESLEY: But again, when we do that the blue areas on the map are the only places that
are left and within those blue areas some of them aren't available at all, because of the
existing towers that are already there. So it leaves you a spot in there, leaves you a spot
right there. It leaves you this area, which it probably wouldn't happen in, you've got a
lake in the plat 08 area that's already developed. It leaves you these two places. And
those are the only areas in town then that meet that initial criteria of 500 feet away and
are separated from existing towers. And then within those areas, you'd have to apply
for a special use permit, that's what I'm hearing.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Yeah. No, that makes sense to me. We have a consensus on that?
We're okay with it?
COREY: Sure.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Patrick? We're good?
SVEUM: Can I ask a question?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Sure. It sounds like Phil. Go ahead, Phil.
SVEUM: Yeah. I guess, I -- and I'm not an expert by any stretch with this, I just got into
it. But I -- what's the rationale between 300 and 500? I mean, is there scientific
rationale that there's -- it minimizes this health risk? It has a impact on valuations of
property? I mean, where is the I guess, the specific advantage between 300 and 500
feet?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: I think -- because I'm not getting John to cooperate by answering
for me. I think the issue is both property values, health and welfare. Because we still
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don't know for sure the governance of the accretiveness of an output on a particular
tower. So if we design for four providers and we end up with six or eight, are they the
same frequency, complementary frequencies? So I think it has an effect -- potentially
has an effect on both property values and health and safety. The closer you are to
this -- if you can envision a cloud coming off of the output port part of the antenna,
there's a stream -- there's a cone or a stream, a cloud in some fashion, and it has the
potential to have a problem that cause health problems. On the other side there is a
physical component of a -- I think it's a three by three by four base with a tower with a
monopole on top of it, that could potentially be in somebody's front yard. And that has
a detrimental effect on the property values. So both of those things can be considered
as potentially detrimental and that's what we were trying to avoid or to minimize the
opportunity for any tower to go in anywhere. Does that help, Phil?
SVEUM: Yeah, it does. It sounds like it's just to minimize whatever impacts there might
be.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Correct.
SVEUM: Impacts really are not -- they're not specific right now, obviously, they
generally are. But this is a way to try to minimize that impact?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Correct.
SVEUM: Okay. Thank you.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay.
DAPAAH: Chair, is this --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Go ahead, Patrick.
DAPAAH: So 500 feet is this -- does that sound like something that will pass? I mean,
what are other municipalities doing? What is Paradise Valley -- you see that thing you
mentioned -- 300? And --
KOVACEVIC: Paradise was the shortest distance at 300. Then there were a number at
500. And then some of them are silent. Some of them, like John was pointing out,
there's preferential site criteria which doesn't really give you a distance. So I mean,
everybody's all over the board.
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VICE CHAIR WATTS: But the numbers that I've looked at, the number of ordinances, it's
north of eight. They have been 500 or better. 500 is the minimum and it looks like we
mitigated some of the potential problems by the areas in blue, as John's outlined, by
having it 500 feet.
DAPAAH: Okay. Along with trying to control sound and all that, and all these
requirements, 500 seems pretty reasonable then.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Yeah. I'd like 1,500 but we're not going to get it.
WESLEY: Okay. Are we -- so again, what I heard what you want to see in the ordinance
is, a criteria that any new towers have to be at least 500 feet away from any
residentially zoned or used property, as a minimum to then be able to continue on to
get a special use permit to the town council.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Correct.
WESLEY: Okay.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Chairman Gray, comments?
CHAIR GRAY: No. I mean, I'm with you. 1,500; 2,000; 3,000. I don't really care for any
of this. So if we think 500 is on par with piers and it's not a outlier, that's what we have
to avoid in these scenarios. We can't be --- we can't have such a tremendous outlier
that it's dismissed, then I'm good with 500.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Thank you.
WESLEY: Vice Chair, and Chair Gray, you don't have those other ordinances in front of
you right now. From what I recall from them, however, is that you could still apply for a
conditional use permit in those other areas within the towns, it just had that limit on
where you could go without having to apply. I don't think in those other towns there's a
total prohibition of any place else in town that didn't meet that criteria.
CHAIR GRAY: You know, I don't really want to belabor all this that much anymore. But I
kind of view this as kind of the same -- my way of thinking, right? So I view this as why is
this any different than how liquor licenses are apportioned in places? We can say, yep
you can put a tower here and that tower can have two antennas on it, I don't really care
whose antennas they are or the diversity of those antennas. But there's limitations
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there and if the next provider is willing to lease that antenna at a higher premium, let it
be transactional. I don't know that we should -- I don't know that we should open up
capacity necessarily on private property.
WESLEY: Moving on?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Please.
WESLEY: Okay. So moving on in Section 17.03, next Section C talks about buildings and
other equipment. And basically, this addresses some things about the equipment
cabinets and how they relate in a couple of different settings.
Colocation, so just moved from another portion of the code. No changes but again, it
kind of outlines some of the requirements. Mostly that new towers, again, designed to
accommodate future colocation, requirement that people cooperate with that. Third-
party review if there is a conflict. I got a typo. Then location required if it result in
significant interference, and people fail to comply it will result in denial or revocation.
So again, this will be a place where I could come and look for some additional
statements about the tower being designed initially, not only in terms of its structural
but its literal capacities to handle multiple colocations. Not sure if it will be in here, it
will be someplace else. But this is one of the places where I would look to include that.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: And John, how do we validate whether there's significant
interference? What measurement? Because that -- it's a great statement, but there has
to be a process.
WESLEY: Where am I in the code here? Maybe I'm too far past it already.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Is this going to the third-party testing?
DAPAAH: Yeah.
WESLEY: It's up here. So it's number 4 in the list here. It's the actual wording.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: I hate to belabor this but that doesn't really answer the question:
what constitutes significant interference? I mean, there has to be a measurement.
Something that we can -- some standard that we can apply to that.
WESLEY: So we can probably push that back to some of the third-party review to verify
that there is -- there got to be interference. But I couldn't tell you, standing here today,
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what those criteria would be.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Maybe you just said it, though. Maybe it is the engineer's report
that the time it's submitted that they've done the testing in the area and there wouldn't
be any. So a validation by the electrical engineer or PE, somebody, that can do that. I
think we should include something to get some verification. It's too ambiguous
otherwise.
WESLEY: Okay. Then we get into the actual types of applications. And so there are two
types -- the administrative and public review. And administrative, at this point, as
they're drafted really are the modification occurring to existing towers. And describes
them; those types of changes that would be allowed. How much you can increase the
size and so forth of towers. And then public review, again, this was set at 300 feet, but
now we're saying we'll change that to the 500 feet requiring the special use permit.
And then from there we move into the actual processing of applications. So the initial
part is very much like we've done in the Section 2.02 changes of the Zoning Ordinance
with other applications and in terms of what the basics and middle statement of process
is. Then there were all the things reviewed in 17.03, in terms of general requirements.
And so if they apply to a particular type of application, they need to provide that.
You've got to provide the inventory of existing sites. And then also provide some
criteria for the specific criteria for the utility service antenna because they are a little bit
different.
And then we go through the actual rest of the process here. Listing requirements for
existing towers and proposed towers. We've added in the photo simulations of the new
tower, and you pay the fee.
Have a section that's been added in terms of shot clocks. It's one of the things that
there was concern about. And there are some specific standards from FCC rules. And
so I've added extensive language on how the shot clocks would work and what starts
and stops those shot clocks, so that we don't get something approved just because we
didn't act in a timely fashion on it.
And going to go through the actual processing with the different bodies. And so the
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public review is the same as for a special use permit. And we've added in the
requirement as council request for the drive-test and council may approve conditions on
the approval.
Section on removal of abandoned towers, it's the same as the current ordinance.
And then the federal and state requirements. The initial paragraph there is one that's
been in the code for a while, but we've added the paragraphs on the initial certification
of RF compliance in 45 days and the opportunity then for the town to request a random
ongoing tests. And the penalties involved if somebody is in noncompliance.
And then staying in compliance with building codes. And staying in compliance with the
noise ordinance. And the last section of 17.07, there's really no change except for a few
section number references.
So as mentioned earlier by Commissioner Dapaah, we did receive today a letter from
CTIA, and I'd have to look over there again to remember what CTIA stands for. It's the
wireless communication advocacy lobbying group of some kind. They question some
sections of the draft ordinance, had some concerns with them. And so the ones listed
here, and Commissioner Dapaah, the ones you brought up before, all the sections pulled
pretty much directly from what our previous consultant had drafted. And so at least in
general, we feel confident with those that they would be in compliance with the rules.
The one that they highlighted with regard to the new utility service antennas we have
been working with SRP on what those standards would be. They are comfortable with
them, and so again, we feel confident that we're not going to have any utilities pushing
back on that. They pointed out the section saying, "no signs". I knows this is only
administrative that that means some kind of commercial sign, it doesn't mean you can't
put up any required signs. But we can modify that language a little bit, just make sure
that's clear that any required signs can be there. That's no issue to make that change.
A couple of other sections that they questioned are in the current ordinance, just being
repeated. They have been there, again, and used for a long time. Again, we're
comfortable with those. And then, the language they questioned in 17.05C was again
some of the view criteria with regard to the process of mostly just agreeing with, I think
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the language is fine and is clear enough for this type of reading. Let's see if I -- I've gone
past it here.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Commissioner Corey, you have a question? Commissioner Corey?
COREY: Just two things. One, previously you mentioned the drive-test to verify gaps in
coverage. And I'm just curious, like, what happens if there is a gap? What's the -- how
do we correct that?
WESLEY: Sure. So Vice Chair and Commissioner Corey, usually when a tower company's
in here promoting and applying for new facilities, it's because they believe there's a gap
in service. They get so many customers complaining, I just don't get service here, and so
I need to put in a new tower. That's the only way to provide our customers with
reasonable and consistent access to the network. And they usually provide some type
of heat map that they have generated just from their computers that show where the
gaps are. And so this is a step beyond that, in requiring them to drive the streets with
the meters that actually register the amount of signal being received and produce that
in a document for us to look at and verify where there really are gaps in their service
where people can't get the service they need.
COREY: And if we -- okay. So if they put a tower in and then we find out, oh, there's still
gaps in certain areas, how do they correct that? Do they change the tower, or do they
move the tower?
WESLEY: They're not going to move a tower.
COREY: Well, I mean, plan on locating it somewhere else.
WESLEY: They might add more towers if that's the case.
COREY: Okay.
WESLEY: But hopefully when that comes in, we look at the gap and where it is and what
they're designing and what they are really filling in all the gap.
COREY: I'm just mentioning that because we're being restrictive for the right reasons,
but if we find that there's a gap later on or when they're installing it, then it sounds like
we need to be kind of flexible in working with them so that they can put it in the right
spot or have the right coverage broadcast. Right?
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WESLEY: Um-hum.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: I think the issue is validation that there's a gap. Because coverage
can be because of capacity; it can be because of frequency; it can be because of output;
it can be even reduced frequency and output. So I think generally speaking most of the
providers would -- I'm going to use a nontechnical term -- crank up the power in order
to cover the gap.
COREY: It's very technical.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Right. So we don't want that. We want validation. And I think we
ought to have a way to capture that validation, have them file the data that says here's
the gap, here's the bell curve, here's where the time of day over a period of time, to
validate that there actually is a gap rather than just wholesale say, add a tower or you
can crank it up a little bit because you're within the confines of what the FCC says is
okay.
So I'd like to have something more definitive in there about how do we determine and
validate that there are gaps. And maybe that's a third-party. You know, a nonbiased
third-party that's going to collect that data and/or review the provider's data. So they
make their records available so we can do that. We want to help them, but we don't
want to give them carte blanche to just do whatever they need to do to increase
coverage.
COREY: Yeah. And just to follow up on that. Like, we were talking at the beginning of
this meeting briefly was, during the 4th of July I was down at the fountain watching the
fireworks and there was no coverage. I couldn't send text messages; it wasn't going
through. And I think it's probably because there's a lot of people down there one time,
using the bandwidth but maybe that's an opportunity where they can crank it -- what
was it? Crank it up or something? To be able to provide --
CHAIR GRAY: That's an opportunity for COWs or temp facilities that clearly was missed
by the provider.
COREY: Yeah.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Regardless, I think it needs to be validated and we need to come up
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with a way to validate by collecting the data, analyzing that data, looking at when the
capacity or lack of capacity occurs in order to substantiate adding a tower. Because
most likely it's going to be adding a tower, not cranking it up. At that point, they
probably cranked it up.
COREY: And just --
SVEUM: And just, Chair -- sorry. Go ahead.
COREY: Sorry, just my last note. That, yeah, so it was interesting to read the CTIA
feedback. And my only major concern here, John, is they brought up multiple examples
where this ordinance is inconsistent with federal laws. So that will be my major concern
here. I know you said you're going to review it with the attorney just to make sure that
we're doing everything right, we don't want to get in trouble for something here. So
that's my recommendation is, just to take it back to the attorney and make sure that
we're following the laws here.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: To add to that and sorry to cut you off, Chairman Gray. When we
started on community housing we were told you can't, you can't, you can't. You can't;
it's restricted. You can't do this; you can't do that. And if we take a word of a lobbyist
or our attorney and say that you can't do something that we successfully have done
with community housing, then we are being remiss. And I think it's incumbent on us to
make an aggressive, protective ordinance; not prohibit, but manage the implementation
and serviceability of anything we allow in the town based on this ordinance.
COREY: But just to review it with them, make sure.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: With the concept of reviewing is not acquiescing to what somebody
doesn't want to get sued for. Back to you, Chairman Gray.
CHAIR GRAY: I'm sorry, Commissioner Corey, there's a delay and I keep jumping on top
and I don't mean to do that. So I promise I won't do it again.
I want to go back to the conversation about heat mapping and doing that sort of study --
that gap analysis study. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I almost want to say what we ought
to write into our ordinance is not something that's on the solicitation side but
something that's on the closeout side. So you put up a tower, we have third-party
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commissioning, or the town is a part of that commissioning process. We validate that
the tower's outputs are where they're supposed to be per code and per FCC regs, and
the heat map is a part of the closeout and the commissioning process of that tower, so
that we have that baseline. Because that to me is more valuable at that point where we
can say -- let me say this differently. If we don't have it there, then when a gap is
identified, the power's getting cranked. And I think Commissioner Watts, you've
essentially said that. Whereas, if we see a gap closure, that's kind of a trigger for the
municipality to say, hey, something's changed here. Somebody's changed a parameter
and cranked up the output here and we need to dig into this a little bit. So I'd like to see
that language on the commissioning side of a tower's installation versus on the
application side. Because I don't understand how you heat map -- and I guess you could
do it. But it's a lot harder to heat map something before you're actually generating the
signal. And I think if we are going to ask for it on the application side then really what
we're saying is similar to the way wind turbines are surveyed on ridgelines. We're
saying go out and put up a temp tower, beam the signal, heat map it, and report back.
And I just don't think that that's something that's ever going to come to fruition.
WESLEY: Chair, if I may? So the drive-test is going out and testing the infrastructure
that's in place now, and by doing that testing showing -- documenting that, in fact, there
is a gap in service. So that then justifies the need for the additional tower.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: John, I think that's where I disagree. Because based upon the
timing, there could be an insufficient capacity or there could be a reduced output.
There's some variables -- a lot of variables that could be applicable to why coverage isn't
available at that point in time. Could be interference by the fireworks.
COREY: Yes. A surge of people.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: You just don't know. So we need some validation again as to why
some justification and commission process is pretty much industry standard. Whether
it's in the telecom industry, whether it's in mechanical industry; commissioning is an
important part of making sure everything is installed the way it was designed and the
way it was presented by the engineer.
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WESLEY: Sure. Yeah, I can see adding that other piece in too, but I was trying to cover
the difference in what they were doing.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay.
DAPAAH: But that's if the town actually invest in a third-party commissioning process.
Right? Because --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: That's going to be on the provider.
DAPAAH: That's going to be on the provider. Okay.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: The provider and we can look at it and see if the data is valid, if
there's any loopholes in the data.
DAPAAH: Okay. I would think that the town would also have someone that can look out
for the town on this matter, just to ensure --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: I would say, I'd agree ideally that if we had somebody that was
certified, because you need the certification to read the data and to use your own -- it's
not in an -- it's a spectrometer, I believe. That you have to look at and see what the
frequencies are and what the volumes are, and then compare that to the provider's
data. That's where the bell chart comes in, when you show time of day and how much
usage and capacity and what you've got, what you projected; that it's all consistent. So I
think I'd love to see that included, that we would have somebody on staff. I don't know
if we're going to get that through because of the training and the certifications.
DAPAAH: Yeah.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: But it certainly can't hurt to ask. In-house certification. Go ahead.
KOVACEVIC: Have you gotten through?
WESLEY: Yes.
KOVACEVIC: I made a list of things that I think were -- at least that were in other
ordinances that we haven't addressed in ours. So I would like to go through that. We
talked about the public process and getting an SUP. We talked about monopole towers
using stealth technology. One of the ordinance stipulated no RF emissions below eight-
and-a-half feet above grade. Is that something that would make sense for us? Okay.
We talked about the old noise limits. We talked about setbacks. We talked about
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holding the setbacks, even if the zoning's vacant and unplatted at 500 feet, right?
WESLEY: Yes.
KOVACEVIC: Okay. The new towers must provide for colocation and one of the -- they
usually specified at least one -- or one of them said a new tower has to be able to
colocate three additional users. Did we want to specify that? You're -- I know we talked
about reviewing the power and the downside of that from health, safety, and welfare,
but --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Are you asking to put that into the ordinance --
KOVACEVIC: I'm throwing it out there, yeah.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: -- every design has to be able to support at a minimum three, four
providers?
KOVACEVIC: I think so, yeah.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay.
KOVACEVIC: I mean, it's a -- I'm suggesting. I'm throwing it out there for discussion.
We can go through them all or we could go through them one at a time and get
feedback.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: What's the value in stipulating the number of providers per tower?
KOVACEVIC: I think you get -- like, in the case of adding three, you get a lot of use out of
that tower. I mean, you're specifying --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: You want to put a maximum on it too, then? Because then we go
back to the electrical requirements for the different providers.
KOVACEVIC: I don't know. What I did was, I went through the ordinances that were
provided to us and I pulled out what the other towns did. I don't know any more about
how a tower works today than I did a year ago. But I know what's in these ordinances.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay.
WESLEY: Chair, and Commissioner, another thing we had to be concerned about there,
a little bit at some point is, it often gets harder to be stealth or camouflaged, as you add
more and more antennas on and more providers on it. So I think depending on the
design that you start with and where it's at and what you're trying to do, that can be a
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challenge maybe even adding the second one.
KOVACEVIC: Yeah. That sounds right. I don't know how you'd do it. But colocation, it
seems to be pretty standard -- the requirement of providing colocation. And if these
things are going to look like palm trees, I would guess you could colocate.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Palm trees in the desert?
KOVACEVIC: Yeah.
WESLEY: So if we're going to do that, I think this would be the place right here. We
could add a number. Shall be designed to accommodate at least two or three more
antenna, whatever number we want to put in there, rather than just leave it open. If
that's the desire of the commission.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: To me that's a tough one because I don't know -- to one of my
original questions, are the outputs accretive or parallel? And I think that's -- we need
some technical input to be able to answer that question. I'm not sure. Because I think
as long as you have -- if you design it initially to say I can have four providers on the
same tower based on colocation, but I can't exceed six providers. There needs to also
be a basis why you can't exceed the six. So I do think we need some more input on that.
A little bit more research.
WESLEY: Okay. So I don't know if this would be a time to remind the commission -- I'm
going to use it as a time to remind the commission. You talked about it at your May
meeting, you held your public hearing. 90 days to make your recommendation to
council. So it has to happen before your next meeting. So if we can make a
recommendation we need to schedule a special meeting between now and your August
meeting to finish up.
KOVACEVIC: Okay.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: I don't want the fear of a special meeting --
KOVACEVIC: Yeah. I'm --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: -- to deter us either.
KOVACEVIC: I'm here.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: So in your research, how many towers or how many providers on a
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tower have you seen, kind of, universally?
KOVACEVIC: Most of -- they all ask for colocation.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Right.
KOVACEVIC: Some of them specify one. The most I saw was three.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay.
KOVACEVIC: Can I --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Yeah. Go ahead.
KOVACEVIC: -- go on?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Yeah, please.
KOVACEVIC: There's security -- one of the towns asked for security for the maintenance
of the paint and the maintenance of the landscaping around the towers. So they
provide a bond that covers two years of maintenance of the landscaping. I don't know if
that's something we want to talk about. One of the towns -- or most of the towns
provide secure -- ask for security for the removal of the tower if it's abandoned. And
that, typically, is a reservation of the lien rights. They don't require that you put up a
letter of credit or a bond or anything. It's just if we have to remove the tower, we have
lien rights on the property.
One of the town's requires annual RF testing at permittee expense. I know that the
trade group said that's -- that they felt that that was a -- that that was the FCCs realm
and not ours but one of the towns didn't seem to care about that. The building -- we
say they've got to comply with our building code. Do we have a building code for
towers?
WESLEY: I don't know if there's a specific tower building code, but there are electrical
codes and structural requirements for --
KOVACEVIC: Because they name ANSI -- A-N-S-I, and I mean, most of the towns name
the -- who provides those kind of standards. The fiber optics and the power to these
towers and from these towers is underground. I think that should be specified.
WESLEY: That's already in our codes.
KOVACEVIC: Okay. It was the California ordinances; they required a backup power
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supply. Is that something we would want?
WESLEY: Possibly. It's my understanding the FCC is requiring that in most cases anyway.
KOVACEVIC: Okay. I have --
WESLEY: To have.
KOVACEVIC: -- I don't know. I didn't look at the FCC -- what the FCC requires. And I
noticed it was in the California ordinances and it was not in the Arizona ordinances
about a backup power supply. We need to make a statement that the paint color and
finish must be maintained in a good condition at all times. And graffiti needs to be
removed within 48 hours. I think we need to have that kind of language in there.
Testing at permittee expense for interference, structural, or electrical integrity. If it's
ever in question, that we have a right to test. And I think some of them limited it at to
once a year, but we should get the right to test for if there is interference or if there's a
question of structural integrity or electrical integrity.
A couple of the ordinances have parking requirements to provide at least one off-street
parking place for somebody at the tower. This is an important one to me, I think the
permittee should indemnify the town against lawsuits. If the -- I mean, if we pass an
ordinance and then somebody comes in to put up a tower and the citizen group comes
in and sues the town for allowing the tower, the permittee should indemnify us.
I think we need to make a statement that the tower cannot interfere with the
government emergency response network if we have one; I don't know if we have one.
Or any town or county communications. That was in a number of the ordinances.
Insurance requirements, they should be in the ordinance. I know that we limit lighting,
but we should also make a statement that it needs to comply with the Dark sky
Ordinance. And one other thing, the -- there was a statement made in one of the
ordinances that any new developments over a number of acres -- I think the number
was 65 acres, but this would cover the state ground, that any development over X acres
must provide a tower location. Which means they would have to set aside a location
that's 500 feet from any residentially zoned property. So that's my list.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: So the ones that I'd like to see, and that I agree with you, are the
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testing, structural, backup power, parking requirements, indemnification, insurance,
lighting, and the acreage or the area for a tower on any new development. And ones
that I can waive on, because I think we already covered it, are paint color and finish. I
think town codes already take care of that. The graffiti issue is already taken care of.
Signage is already taken care of. You have to put emergency signs there, what to do and
it has to padlocked, it has to have emergency access. And we don't have a frequency
issue, I don't believe, because our fire, live, and law enforcement uses a separate
frequency other than cellular frequency. So but the ones that I would look for support,
hopefully, are the ones that I just said: the testing, structural, underground utilities,
backup power, parking, indemnification, insurance, lighting, and tower location on any
development.
WESLEY: So just on one of those, anyway, the lighting. Tower shall not be artificially
lighted is already in there.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay. But yet it still has to have FAA approved lighting.
WESLEY: Unless the FAA requires.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay.
WESLEY: And then our town codes already require underground of the wires coming
and going.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay.
SVEUM: I have a question. Phil.
CHAIR GRAY: Go ahead, Phil.
SVEUM: So if a provider was to locate and I assume on someone's private property they
would own that antenna or that pole. And if there were multiple providers on that pole,
who would be responsible for the other providers and what their business is that's being
conducted with their equipment on that pole? That make sense?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: It does. I'm going to try, and John, if you'll help me along the way.
Generally speaking, there is a builder who designs, engineers, and builds the tower and
then leases the provider space for equipment and their antenna.
WESLEY: And all that's done, usually --
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SVEUM: Okay.
WESLEY: -- with a ground lease from whoever the property owner is.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Right.
SVEUM: Okay.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Yep. So the --
SVEUM: And --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: -- you get different -- you get different insurance requirements
here. You get one for the construction and then one for the provider. So they both
have to have that same insurance.
SVEUM: Okay. Would these providers be typically competitors?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Verizon -- they can be. Verizon, T-Mobile, there's a plethora of
them and they all have potential output. But they also -- some of them share and then
sell their product out as well. So there's a variety of different arrangements and we've
got to be capable of handling all of them.
SVEUM: So the company or entity that secures the site, builds the pole, or installs the
pole, and has the lease with perhaps Verizon, would that be like a master lease for
Verizon, and they would sublet to other providers or would each one of those providers
lease directly from the owner of the pole?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: My understanding is that the builder retains the leases. They're the
master lessor and that they lease the capabilities that they've built for to various
entities, like Verizon, T-Mobile, and so on.
WESLEY: So -- and Phil, I think you asked -- and I don't know the answer for sure, but if
Verizon has leased a portion of the tower and has some antennas up there, could they
then sublease to another provider to share their antennas?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Right.
WESLEY: I don't know. That probably does happen, but I don't know for a fact.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: I'm pretty sure they do because you've got a third-party that is
leasing and say, there's Consumer Cellular for instance, they use like a T-Mobile and
sublease from T-Mobile, and they use their capabilities. So I think that's exactly what
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happens.
SVEUM: So we would need, as the town, to be protected by the various providers that
are on each one of those poles. Because if there was a lawsuit, the town would be
included in anything that would -- in the form of a lawsuit for many of the residents that
had that pole on their property.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: I think that that's correct. I think that you've got a building
construction structural indemnification that you're looking for in case the thing falls over
and then you're looking for the tower people that lease it and the providers, to make
sure that they don't do something that could cause harm to the general public.
SVEUM: So would it not be appropriate then for the town to approve all providers that
are on that pole?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: I think that's what I'm saying. Yeah.
WESLEY: So --
SVEUM: Oh, okay.
WESLEY: Vice Chair --
SVEUM: I just wanted to make sure.
WESLEY: So again, I don't know enough of the details. If Verizon is then -- or T-Mobile
subleasing now to Consumer Cellular, I'm not sure we would know that piece.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: No. But your master lease would say any subsidiaries, any third-
parties that you would use. That they'd indemnify us on behalf of them.
WESLEY: Right.
SVEUM: I guess, my thought process here is always looking at the worst-case scenario
where there's a problem and one of the providers may be streaming or doing --
providing inappropriate activity, for instance, that could cause a town a problem
eventually or even -- or cause all the providers and the town a legal issue. So I don't
know if it's worth considering or not. It just comes to mind.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: I think that's where the indemnification comes from.
SVEUM: Yeah. As well as the property insurance.
CHAIR GRAY: Vice Chair, Commissioner, I share some of the same sentiment. I think
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this all started with Commissioner Kovacevic. On the build -- so first of all, you go back
to -- you made reference to the community residences proffers that we went through
and so on and so forth. And one of the provisions that we had wished to see stipulated
within that, in our draft language that we put forward to council, we had insurance
criteria in there and hold harmless indemnification language that we wanted from
those, in that case, community residence providers to issue a hold harmless and an
additional insured of the Town of Fountain Hills. And the town attorney said no dice,
you can't do that. And then the majority of the council went with the town attorney
and stripped that language out.
So I think in this case, I mean, you're kind of apples and apples here. I think you're going
to end up in the same spot, different subject matter but same rules of the road so to
speak. But I think in this case what I want to add into your conversation there is, if you
did a quick Google search on the computer, you go back to June 18 of this year of 2024,
you can find a Cox Communications pole with a bunch of gear hanging from it that got
backed into -- it got hit, let's say, by a box truck and that pole landed in the backyard,
with that gear -- landing in a swimming pool that had five kids in it. So I want that to be
a part of the narrative and the record on this particular insurance provision. Because
that's a real-world example, 20 minutes down the road, within the last quarter of this
calendar year where bad things -- luckily none of the kids got injured because the lines,
for whatever reason, weren't energized. But that's a real-world example of what could
have gone terribly wrong because that pole -- that pole happened to be in the right-of-
way by the way. But because that pole had that adjacency and did in fact cause harm. I
think that Tempe could have been in a little bit of pain because of that.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Thank you. Anything else on -- Commissioners?
DAPAAH: So these are all very valid questions. Thank you for doing all that background
work. That's pretty solid. So my question is on the power backup. I never thought --
are we talking per pole?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Yes.
DAPAAH: And what is the source of energy?
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VICE CHAIR WATTS: Gas, battery. I do think that John commented that -- I'm not
positive of this, but I think the FCC requires that there is a consistent supply for power.
So it could be propane, LP. It could be gas if it's available in the area. A little genset.
DAPAAH: What's the industry standard?
WESLEY: Chairman, unfortunately, Commissioner Dapaah, I don't know the details of it,
but this started, I don't know, half a dozen years ago or so that the FCC did some rulings
and I think identified certain towers, so that there's enough coverage left in an area.
And they have to have a backup power so there's always a system operational. And so
it's not required for every tower, but I know there's some percentage of them or some
spacing of them that does require that from the FCC.
DAPAAH: Okay.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Yeah. I don't remember offhand the exact, but I remember reading
about gensets being required, order of magnitude depending upon the service entrance
coming to the unit would depend.
DAPAAH: Right.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: But it could be whatever uninterruptable power source you need.
DAPAAH: Interesting.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Anything else, Commissioners? John, anything else?
WESLEY: I know we've got at least one person hoping maybe to speak a little bit. So I
want to take --
TROLLER: I'm here.
WESLEY: So just, again, just to set some expectations a little bit, because you brought
up some of the comparisons with the community residence ordinance. You've thrown
out a lot of things. Some of them are easier, some of them may be a little bit harder.
Brought back up this intent statement here that we need to balance things with. We
have to comply with the TCA and provide reasonable opportunity for service, while
providing also protection to the public. So it may be some of these things, particularly
as I go back to that map of the 500 feet and what that does and how limiting that is, that
we may come back and say that really is too much. And some things like that. But
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anyway, I just really want to set that expectation. We'll be looking at that. And whether
you keep it at 500 feet, it gets to council and some things -- as we look at the decibel
limit, council has previously decided we're not doing decibel limits anymore. So just
want to put that out there that this will have that type of continued review, things may
change. But understood.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Paula?
WOODWARD: We have one speaker card for call to the public: Lori Troller.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay. And if I'm not mistaken, Ms. Troller has asked for six
minutes, plus or minus a couple of seconds.
TROLLER: It's a lot longer now. I'm going to ask for ten minutes if possible.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Talk fast, please.
TROLLER: Talk fast. Good evening, Chair Peter, Vice Chair Mr. Watts, and commission.
Before I start on what I was going to present, I do want to say that when Mr. Wesley's
presentations are over an hour-and-a-half and the public gets three minutes or six to
respond, it's not even adequate. And so I would like to ask for some sort of opportunity
for me to provide my insights. I can answer so many of these questions and there were
so many things that need to come into discussion that it would greatly help this process.
One thing, you guys were talking about distance. The automatic distance, the 300 or
500 feet. There's one thing that was completely overlooked, was that there is the ADA,
and the ADA recognizes a disease that when people are near these towers they literally
can't live near them. They can't be in the presence of it. You've seen April McCormick
(ph.). She doesn't live here anymore. She had to move because of the exposure in the
town. Her face will start to fall, like she had a heart attack. She will lose her voice, and
this is within 30 minutes of exposure. And it takes her days to recover. This is a very
real thing. So when we automatically put a tower up just because it's within 200 feet or
500 feet or whatever your number is, you are ignoring the ADA requirements to notify
people. Everyone must know this. So these distances can't just be an automatic thing.
There are other laws in place that we will be violating.
The PV -- you mentioned PV quite a bit and they're 300 feet. There's a little bit of
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history to that. PV went into negotiations with several telecom companies, and they
agreed that Paradise Valley would define a corridor for all the main towers. And they
said hey, telecom guys if you promise to keep the majority of your towers in this
corridor, we'll let you have the 300 feet. That's why that number is so low. When it
came down to actually putting those networks in, telecom company said [gesture on
video] and they put them wherever they want and now they have a problem. So that's
why that 300 feet is there because they thought they were going into some sort of
agreement with the telecom companies that they didn't live up to.
Regarding sound. You guys were talking about sound a lot. So there's the actual tower
itself and then there's this whole conglomerate of little facilities that go around the base
of a tower. You can require all that be built underground. Most of that's your noise
generation, put it underground. Just make that the requirement. So you can play with
that thought.
The submittal process that John was talking to, that got glanced over very quickly.
There is a lot of information that goes into that. One thing this town needs is a
database. When I ask John about previous decisions, approvals, or denials of any towers
we've had, that process is over a 100 questions. And he cannot tell me how he came to
an approval or a denial. We need to be able to track that. We need to be able to pull up
a map and say, we definitely have this tower here. This is the equipment on here. This
is what, when it went in, what it was set to be emitting. So when you do tests later on,
throughout the year, you can say, hey, this is the -- hey, this number is way low, this
number is way high. We need a database. We need to able to track this stuff. A lot of
that information is collected at the point of an application. All that's available.
Because when we have staff move on to greener pastures, we lose all that knowledge.
That, we can't even ask anybody. So we do need a database. That's a whole other
topic.
Drive-by tests. Do not use drive-by tests. Drive-by tests -- what notoriously is falsified in
court case after court case, are drive-by test information. Telecoms constantly lie about
that. They just take some sample somewhere, put your street name on it. Oh, that's
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been proven over and over again. What you really want are dropped call logs. That's
your information, my information, how many calls did we make and how many calls
were dropped. And you need the data behind that. That's the type of information you
need. Now, if we don't define that in our ordinance, if we don't define how they are to
provide that, in a court case they said, well, you didn't say and you didn't define it, so we
don't have to give it to you. We're putting a tapper in. So be very specific on what
you're looking for when you're looking for what you call, gaps.
Now, there's another thing. What is a gap? Is a gap 30 feet? I can't make a phone call
between here and there; is that defined a gap? It doesn't. So there's all these other
definitions of what's a gap? And is that gap there all the time? Is it raining? Do we have
gaps all over the-- did they take that -- did telecom go out on a rainy day and take gap
information? Drive-by test information on a rainy day or during the fair? Oh, look at
this. You know if they did a test when we were all at the fireworks, they're going to say
we need 19 towers around here. That's not fair. It's not accurate.
So all of these things, you've got to nail them down. You can't just say, we need testing.
You have to define it. And if we don't define it, in a court case they're going to say, you
didn't define it. And so they win cases. So you got to be really specific.
And this has been why I have been forever saying you guys need to bring people in.
Who here knows how to say what those numbers should be and what's real? This is
where the experts come in. This is where their advice will help us.
Let's see. I think Peter was speaking about -- unless it's written in an ordinance the
industry has complete -- oh. So Vice Chair Watts was speaking about they turn it up or
they turn it down. Well, don't you think we want to know where it's set? And we
should always know where it's set? These things are emitting pollution. That's a part of
the problem. So if this were something that we could actually see, an amount of smoke
coming out of a building. Well, okay, we're going to allow a certain amount of smoke.
But if they started just like, unbeknownst to us, just putting out way more smoke on
some days and some days none, we would want -- we can see that. We have grasp and
we can know that that is. We know whether we need to be concerned or not. So when
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we do not have those volumes measured by these towers, this is invisible pollution. You
can kind of tell with your phone, your gaps, your -- so I'm just saying, because you can't
see this, doesn't mean you don't measure it and you don't want to know. You do want
to know.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Can you -- Lori, can you wrap up, please?
TROLLER: I didn't even get to my --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: It's eight minutes.
TROLLER: Okay. Real quickly. There's a big problem right now, is that Mr. Wesley is
editing the code. So in Fountain Hills and everywhere else, when we have law it's
written in the form of an ordinance or a resolution. And the difference between those
two doesn't matter in this application so we're not going to get into that. But you guys
aren't dealing with a resolution or an ordinance. He's dealing with the municipal code
or the zoning code. Right? And he told you earlier that you cannot -- you can't touch
the piece in the municipal code. And right now we have a law on the books, it's a
resolution -- happens to be a resolution and it's Resolution 2018-18. This is what you
guys need to be updating. Now what happens is this resolution gets codified. It gets
codified into code. And it gets either codified into municipal code or zoning code. So
now what Mr. Wesley is working on is Chapter 17 which is the cellular code. You guys
aren't touching the broadband. I have never talked about cellular. The council was only
ever talking about broadband.
Broadband was codified into Section 16-2. This is the only piece you guys are working
on. You are not touching this. Now, this is code. The only time you touch code is when
there's errors to it. These aren't errors. This is a modification to the law. You guys need
to be updating the law not making codification changes.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Thank you.
TROLLER: Thank you.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: And you got your ten minutes.
TROLLER: Thank you. It felt like two.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: With that we'll -- no other speaker cards, Paula? Just the one?
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WOODWARD: No, Vice Chair.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay. With that we'll close the public part. And Commissioners,
comments?
DAPAAH: I would like to thank Lori. I think Lori, you've really contributed to our
understanding and clearing up some of the stuff for us. I really appreciate it.
I would like to know -- I'm interested about this thing she's talking about with putting
everything underground. Is there any city with that? Because that's another added
thing that we would have to --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Are you talking about the equipment itself?
DAPAAH: The equipment itself.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Yeah. It's a vault. Think about a vault that you've got a mechanical
room vault with pump stations.
DAPAAH: Right. But would that be -- would that have to be in a conditioned space? Are
we now talking about an air conditioner?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Well, if it's outside on a pole, it's not going to be in a conditioned
space.
DAPAAH: But it's got free airflow.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: It does. But you could put ventilation fans in. You could do that.
So I mean there's ways to build a vault and I think that's a great idea, because that
would abate a lot of the noise issues or concerns --
DAPAAH: Right. Right. I think that is a very --
VICE CHAIR WATTS: -- being in a vault. So maybe a vault's the way to go.
DAPAAH: Yeah.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: I think somebody's going to look at that and say, look, by the time I
do acoustical enclosure, distancing, measurement, and the lot, that a vault may be the
way to go. It's underground, out of sight, out of harm's way. I agree.
And I also think that to Ms. Troller's comments about data, I think we've been driving
home all evening the collection, the analysis of data, understanding where the gaps are.
While we didn't come right out and talk about the data logs themselves, we said we
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want all of the providers' data. We want them to be able to validate that. What that is
we haven't defined yet, but we have moved to take that next step and define it. So I
agree with that as well.
Commissioner Schlossberg, please?
SCHLOSSBERG: Yeah. And I wanted to follow up on Commissioner Dapaah's comment
and I wanted to thank Lori, not for clearing things up, for making me more confused as it
were. But through this whole process again, I've not said much because I'm still so
confused. Vice Chair Watts has become a semi-expert. Commissioner Kovacevic has
learned a lot as well. But I mean, I go back to what Lori said and the fact that we don't
have professional help. I've said this before. It's just -- it's absurd that we're tasked with
making a recommendation when -- I honestly, I mean, a sliver of a percentage of a clue,
what I'm talking about up here. It's absurd. So I will leave my comments at that. But
thank you, Lori. And wow, you could have gone on for a long time.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Any other comments, Commissioners?
Commissioner Gray and Phil, sorry about this. I'm terrible at pronouncing last names.
CHAIR GRAY: I'd like to be there, Commissioner, because I've got a lot of thoughts about
this having -- I started where Commissioner Schlossberg was. I'm a notch or two away
from that position. I'm out of the starting blocks but I still have a lot to learn. So I jotted
down a bunch of notes. I went back through our old meeting minutes. I went back
through council videos. I went back through text messages and emails and tried to get
to a spot tonight where I feel good about something going forward, and I'm not. And so
I'm kind of going to kind of skim my notes, but I want to read them because I want to
remember them, if for no other reason the verbatim transcript is going to help me do
that. And also, I want to be clear, I want what I say to be reflective of me as a resident
who has a small family in this town and then a commissioner. That's where I come from
on this topic at this point. And I have to say what we've seen transpire on this is, it's
nothing short of unbecoming of government when our entire interest -- what we should
be doing here, should be in the interest of the citizenry of the town and the private
property owners of the town. I've had a lot of conversations. I've had a lot of
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conversations with Lori. I've had a lot of conversations with Rick. I've had a lot of
conversations with folks that we deal with tangentially in and around the hospital,
they're in the telecommunications industry, and I haven't talked to anybody who hasn't
cited some significant concerns with where this industry is going and what the actual
product even is today when we start to get into the -- when we start to get into the
higher decibel outputs.
And that's a total aside from having the conversation -- I made reference to the pole,
the Cox pole in Tempe that fell. You know, that's another real-word example of -- we
got a -- we got to play in this at a more macro level than what we're doing here. And
we've got to do that with all the right tools -- arrows in our quiver, if you will. So I'm
doubling down on the need to review this whole thing holistically and across both
sections of code. I am not by any means; I want to be crystal clear. I am not saying
combo the sections of code together. I'm not saying make Section 16 go away. I'm just
saying how in the world can we talk about having tower parameters and placements
and separation distances on private property, when we could just rack them out in the
ten-foot right-of-way throughout town? How do you not talk about those two things as
an intermingled topic and then bifurcate them back out to their respective spots in the
code after all of that conversation has happened?
So the reason that hasn't happened is obviously we've been limited by the town council
and the town attorney in what our span of scope here is. And I went back, and I
watched all of that and if the basis, which is what I think I heard of this limitation is to
save us somehow from preemption, I got to say that's a false notion. Because as
Commissioner Watts pointed out in his example earlier, we've been preempted before
as a commission. Most of this commission was the same commission that was in place
absent, I believe, Commissioner Dempster at the time, that worked through the
community residence piece. And so you can't tell me today that you're going to save us
from preemption because we were preempted when that topic came to light as well.
And so if it's not preemption, then the basis must be for some sort of special interest,
maybe an inadvertent transfer of wealth from private property owners to the town via
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these small cell agreements that seem to be proliferating throughout the country.
Everybody's chasing the ten-minute city and maybe that's what we're doing here, but
nobody's talking about it. We're just saying we can't talk about it. If that is what we're
doing, that's not something you do in the dark. That's something that gets daylight and
we have the conversation out in the open. We talk about the property values, we talk
about the health consequences, and we weight this whole thing in a extremely complex
and -- well, complex deliberation. But you can't talk about placement here on private
property versus placement in the right-of-way. You've got to talk about the whole thing
holistically.
So I got a note here about John. John, I really, really, really don't envy the position
you're in and I want to be really clear that what I'm saying, my thoughts here, they have
no reflection on you or staff in general. I've got a tremendous amount of respect for
your position, and I absolutely recognize that you're obligated to take this direction and
work with the tools that the council affords you to the best of your ability. And I
absolutely think that's what you've done. I just, again, think our span of control here is
misguided, so.
I guess, in my opinion, again, and I having observed I've come to this revelation that
when the council removed most of the meat of consideration from the topic, it was
incorrect. And I believe that compromises this commission's ability to make that
meaningful recommendation tonight or at any time, or at least a recommendation that
would holistically benefit the community and residents. I'll go a little bit further and say
I think this approach actually does a disservice. I think it does a disservice to the town. I
think it does a disservice to the residents. As we make a recommendation, if we make a
recommendation tonight for Chapter 17 in isolation, it insinuates that we've addressed
the topic. And I know John said at the onset, we might pick up the other part of this at a
later point in time, but I don't think you can do them in isolation. I belabored that, I
guess, to this point. I don't think addressing Chapter 17 in isolation does anything. I
think it insinuates we've addressed the topic -- we've actually done nothing more than
placate it. So that to me is kind of on par with, we've become complicit in the narrative
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of, let's move on; there's nothing here. And I think this commission has shown over
time that we've got a little more integrity to display to those that we deliberate on
behalf of.
I wrote down six points in time that are really interesting to me. That again, I just
want -- I want this all in one spot. So the first point in time is, how did this whole thing
start? And that was after an extended series of calls to the public. Open calls to the
public, the council requested staff onboard to consult and to facilitate a review and
recommendation of ordinances related to towers in the general context of small cell
distribution and broadband. Two consultants were hired by the town. Contracts were
executed by the town attorney, somehow as signatory.
And then, my second point in time is, the scope of work for the Campanelli agreement
was obtained through a FOIA by a resident and that scope of work very clearly states
review and updates of Chapter 16 and 17 of town code and ordinances. And I have to
note here that that agreement was received in full, and it was unredacted. The second
consultant, whose business is centered around negotiation of contracts between public
entities and tower operators, was then hired.
The third point in time is the town then runs out the clock on the Campanelli retainer,
releases the consultant through a lengthy and puzzling process run through the town
attorney. Next point in time is the scope of work that this commission is tasked with is
quietly modified by the council behind closed doors in executive session. And we're told
only have eyes for Chapter 17, and the Campanelli documents are placed into privileged
and confidential status now by the town attorney.
And then finally, and the most impactful of my six points in time here is when the guns
starts to really smoke. And that's when another FOIA request is made by a second
resident for the very same Campanelli agreement after the May zoning commission
meeting, when that agreement was passed on to me and would you believe that that
agreement was now fully redacted? There was not one word in the scope of service for
Andrew Campanelli that wasn't fully redacted. And so I end up saying, what in the
world is going on here? And I'm not a conspiracy theorist but after you direct us, we
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hire consultants, we go through review, we let agreements expire, we fire or maybe, I
should say not retain a consultant, we pivot and then we redact, all behind closed doors.
Went from literally talking about ordinance development, even I am going to begin to
wonder what is going on here.
The commission, John, members of the public -- Lori, you in particular, have arguably
hundreds of hours invested in this topic. The commission, finally stumbled on the
realization, back in May, that the gap and most of our confusion, or I should say, most of
my confusion and what we sought to accomplish was actually in Chapter 16 and not 17,
which we had been told to put the blinders on for. But in retrospect, I guess, that really
shouldn't surprise me.
This commission, we're not always on the same page all the time, but what you can
always say about this commission is that good things come from debate; good things
come from research; good things come from the debate on that research; and good
things come from the public participation. To roll over or turn around everybody says
it's preempted or don't look here would be a dereliction of this commission and that's
why we hung it all out there back in May and made the very specific request.
And the request was two-part. The request was, A, we'd like to look at 16 and 17. We
never said we'd like to combo them. We said we'd like to look at them, and maybe,
tangentially we said the word, "combo". But if you go back and look at those minutes, it
very specifically says look at Chapter 16 and 17. And the other request that we made is,
we made the request to understand why. And we made that request and we said we'd
take that request under admonishment in executive session or publicly, but we made
that request. We never got it.
The following morning, though, we got an email from the town attorney saying it's not
going to happen, present your findings without delay. The clock's ticking essentially.
That was long before John ever even posed the question to the council and that gets
flagged as, a, noted, because we got the correspondence. And b, out by all accounts.
Because we never asked the attorney's permission, we asked for council. But we were
told within 24 hours to move along by the attorney.
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Once it got to the council we got the public lectures from the council on the rule of law,
insubordination, protection of staff, trust what you can't see, trust what's behind the
curtain, and of course, a few amusing analogies with respect to our collective skill sets.
But we still never got that logical explanation that pass the bar. And ironically, only
Councilpersons Friedel, Toth, and Skillicorn ever reached out to the commission to
understand the basis of our request.
If we were paid employees, I'd say I get it, but we're not. We're a cross-section of
volunteer-residents with a singular objective of protecting the residents and the
residents' investments in this town. We absolutely recognize we don't make policy or
law, but we sure as heck have the ability to recommend and have an obligation to do
that to the best of our ability.
So when you leave the commission in the dark, you start to hypothesize why. So here
they are. Door number 1, that Andrew Campanelli is wildly incompetent, maybe even
dangerous and the town attorney gave him grace and a swift and quiet termination. I
would buy this door except that we know that several other public entities here in
Arizona and across the nation are utilizing the consultant to draft ordinances to protect
their residents and investments. We have no idea what was ever in it. John did a nice
job tonight of telling us where there were gaps in that ordinance and maybe those are
gaps we would plug, maybe they weren't. But that's door number 1.
Door number 2, the second consultant's onboarded. This consultant specializes in lease
agreements between providers and municipalities. He inadvertently or directly makes a
sales pitch, and the town sees dollar signs. The conundrum with door number 2, is
those dollar signs, if not managed, are at the expense of the average citizen from a
number of angles, predominantly property values and health. And that is not
appropriate without us at least having a conversation.
Door number 3, the commission is the same commission that presented the community
resident ordinance to the council for a vote, as Commissioner Watts had outlined
earlier. When we went through that process we were repeatedly told that the Prescott
matter was the only model. We were told you can't, it's protected, it's untouchable,
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ADA, Fair Housing Act; and my favorite, it's preempted. But in the end the creation of
that ordinance should be a very good reference of what can come of challenging
perceived boundaries. This commission had the fortitude at that time, to say thanks for
the advice, to walk away. However, we said at that time we're not going to run and
hide. We'd rather present the language that's on the books today by all accounts, and
that language has curtailed the number of homes converted to higher occupancy
dormitories and has become a model ordinance for municipalities nationally that does it
for all the right reasons. It promotes the types of homes when they're set up for the
right reasons and it discourages the types of homes when they're set up as profit
centers for corporations to the detriment of neighborhoods. The result of this a couple
of years later is the number of homes is down significantly in Fountain Hills from the
trajectory we were on. I view that as a success on behalf of the residents. And there
might be a little bit of a -- I won't say: retribution is not the right word, but I'll use it
anyway. It might be a little bit of retribution today because we didn't listen when we
were told there's nothing you can do in this space, look elsewhere.
So I'll wrap up here. I suppose special interest and personal interest could be in the mix,
but I'm more inclined to believe it's a combination of doors 2 and 3, where town
leadership has probably been pitched a potential financial gain through leases of right-
of-way in folks' front yard in exchange for property values and health, through the town
attorney who promotes a zero-risk mentality. Which in my way of thinking, benefits the
attorney and his firm for making the next sales pitch to the next municipality for
services. However, the downside here to us and to the town is that the zero-risk
approach is paid for indirectly by the residents when we say we can't, or we'll get sued
over time. I have a really hard time with this strategy.
So ultimately, what do we do now? Do we take Chapter 17 in isolation? Do we punch it
through tonight as we've been requested to do, to be in conformance with code and
with all of the questions and the redlines that were fleshed here tonight? Or do we look
at a path that is not often traveled? Frankly, I don't think we've ever traveled it, and say
we're missing critical span of control to make any meaningful recommendation to the
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council, and we should simply defer?
So if I was to make a motion, and I want to talk about this. But if I was to make a motion
this evening it would be a, to say the work on Chapter 17 has been great. But we would
be making a mistake to put anything forward on Chapter 17 without at least taking a
hard look at Chapter 16. Preemption or not, I think that we can find a way to look at
Chapter 16 and at least, the very least that comes of that, is we say we looked, we tried,
we couldn't find a way. I guarantee you we'll find a way to do something impactful and
meaningful to the residents and the property owners of this town if those restrictors are
taken off of us and we can look at both of them.
So my motion would be to park what's been done on Chapter 17, and effectively
forward a recommendation to the council of quote-unquote "no recommendation until
such time the council affords the commission the latitude to review and recommend
modification to all facets of towers, their placement across Chapter 16 and Chapter 17".
I think we owe it to everybody in this town and every resident who could be affected at
some point in the future by right-of-way placement of a tower to say we actually looked
at.
So in closing, while we might say preempted, I think we should once again say, that's
great, but let's go ahead and take look at the topic anyway and see if we can't effect
some meaningful change. And so Chair, I'll turn that back to you.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Any other comments from commissioners?
CHAIR GRAY: You still awake?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Yep. Still awake. So in a --
SVEUM: This is Phil again. Phil Sveum. Again, uneducated for the most part with this. I
couldn't agree more than -- I couldn't agree more with Peter on -- with his conclusions. I
heard some great information tonight from commissioners that have been on top of this
for months. Lori, your presentation every time I've seen it, heard it, you're a great asset
to the town on this topic. And John, you do have an impossible job. I think I'd like to
see us follow Peter's advice and park it for the time being and try to figure out what the
town really wants out of this and how we can go about helping it accomplish that.
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Thank you.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Commissioner Dapaah?
DAPAAH: Yeah. I also concur with what Chairman Gray is talking about and if he
presented a resolution, I will second that.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: In addition to what Commissioner Gray said, I think we got a huge
amount of additional data this evening. A huge amount of open-ended questions that
we don't have answers to and a whole heck of a lot more research. And I don't think
that we can do the research sufficiently without all of the information. Just like any
other trade, and I don't' care whether it is a framing contractor, he needs his hammers
and saws, we need information. That is what will give us the ability to provide a very
succinct, accurate, protective ordinance. Without the information, I think we're dead in
the water. And so I appreciate all the kind words from Commissioner Gray.
And Commissioner Gray, did you actually make a motion, or you intend to, or what do
you want to do?
CHAIR GRAY: Well, I mean I'm happy to. My motion is really simple. It's unconventional
but it's simple. I -- there's great work on the table. I'll say this part again, I -- John has
done a tremendous job to getting us to this far with -- essentially, what I view as two
hands and one foot tied behind his back and we're fumbling along as best we can,
largely led by you, Commissioner Watts, and a lot of the intel and research of Ms.
Troller. I got to say, I can't follow 70 percent of it. I tried. But we can't do this like this.
I don't care what anybody says. We can't -- I'm not going to be a part of being told that I
have to put blinders on like I'm going into stall number 5 in the Derby, and I'm not
supposed to look left or right. That's not how you develop the best possible product for
the citizenry. Now, if there's another objective, by all means let's talk about it. But let's
sanitize that out in public, in daylight. Let's not hold that in the backroom. Because
we're talking about ordinance development here. And so we either look at this topic
holistically across both the public and the private space or we just wait until such time
that we, the town, as a body is willing to take that angle on it because whatever we do
tonight, whatever we do in isolation with Chapter 17 will have an impact or will be
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impacted by whatever happens within Chapter 16. And God knows if we don't touch
Chapter 16, then it's preemption, preemption, preemption, don't touch it, they can do
whatever they want. And I'll say it one more time that's exactly what we were told the
community residences and what we have, and what we came out of that, I don't' think
anybody fathomed we could have come out of that process with that. But we did.
Between John, between public input, between our -- Ms. Bell, all of the research that
happened and the collaboration on that resulted in something really special. So so why
the hell wouldn't we try to do the same here? And so my recommendation because
we're up against the timeline and the mandate, my recommendation is to forward a
recommendation of no recommendation tonight. And again, solicit the approval to
broach into, to unveil Chapter 16, look at the whole thing holistically, and then
recompartmentalize it like adults into their respective chapters of code so we don't
screw up the system.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Do I have a second on the motion?
DAPAAH: Yes. I will second that motion.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Commissioner Dapaah seconds. And one other comment I want to
make sure the commissioners understand. Because we have a timeline we have to deal
with as well, to John's point during presentation, we could have possibly have a special
meeting in -- I'm not sure when that would be, John. August? Early August, later
August?
WOODWARD: Before the 12th.
WESLEY: Vice Chair, it would have to be before August 12th.
WOODWARD: August 121.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: So we may put ourselves in that position, just so that everybody is
aware. So with that said, Paula can I have a -- oh, hang on. One second. Commissioner
Kovacevic?
KOVACEVIC: So I just -- I don't' have my arms around what we're doing. I can -- so we're
saying no recommendation because we don't feel we can rule on antennas without
ruling on the small cell right-of-way broadband part covered in Section 16?
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VICE CHAIR WATTS: I think that's part of it. But I also think that it is because of the
complexity of right-of-ways (sic) versus private property-public property. Without all
that information and without the technical and legal expertise to be able to answer all
of the questions that we've got in front of us tonight, that we're going to defer.
Paula, rollcall please?
WOODWARD: Commissioner Corey?
DAPAAH: Aye.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Dapaah?
DAPAAH: Aye.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Kovacevic?
KOVACEVIC: Aye.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Schlossberg?
SCHLOSSBERG: Aye.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Sveum?
SVEUM: Aye.
WOODWARD: Vice Chair Watts?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Aye.
WOODWARD: Chair Gray?
CHAIR GRAY: Aye.
WOODWARD: Seven-zero.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Thank you, Paula.
And with that, we'll move to item number 6. Commission discussion request for
research. Anybody have any topics that they'd like John and staff to address other
than? I thought you had to go?
COREY: I couldn't leave.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay. I'm still hammering on bicycles and pedestrians. So don't
lose sight of that one.
WESLEY: okay.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Without any comments, we'll go to 7, summary for commission
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requests from John.
WESLEY: I heard bicycles and pedestrians. That's my summary.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: The bicycles and pedestrians is safety. It goes back to walking out.
And this weekend, people walked out in the middle of the crosswalk at the Avenue of
the Fountains and Saguaro; didn't look. Almost got run over by somebody making a turn
because they thought they owned it. Same thing's happened at the roundabout several
times where people have walked out and bicyclists blowing through stop signs, blowing
through red lights. I know MCSO, their law enforcement is primary on vehicles, safety.
But at some point I'd like to talk about bicycles and pedestrians.
WESLEY: I guess, number 8 on the agenda?
VICE CHAIR WATTS: I don't want to know the agenda. I just want to note it.
WESLEY: Fine. So in terms of my report, Aguust meeting. At this point, it looks like you
will likely have two special use permit applications for consideration and one ordinance
text amendment.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Okay. That's it? An easy August.
WESLEY: Should be.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Should be.
WESLEY: Maybe.
DAPAAH: So we are meeting in August?
WESLEY: Yes. You got to meet in August.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Yep. And I think with that, do we have a motion to adjourn?
KOVACEVIC: Motion.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Wow, that was quick. That's unanimous.
COREY: Thank you.
VICE CHAIR WATTS: Thank you, everybody. Have a good night.
ITEM 5.
TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS
STAFF REPORT
Meeting Date: 08/12/2024 Meeting Type: Planning and Zoning Commission
Agenda Type: Submitting Department: Development Services
Prepared by: John Wesley, Development Services Director
Staff Contact Information: John Wesley, Development Services Director
Request to Planning and Zoning Commission (Agenda Language): HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING,
CONSIDERATION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION: A request for approval of a Special Use Permit for
property located at 12005 N.Panorama to allow residential use of commercially zoned property.
Staff Summary (Background)
The Request
This request is for the lot at 12005 N. Panorama Drive. The lot is approximately 0.61 acres in size. The
property is improved with two, two-story office buildings with a central outdoor stair, a parking lot with
spaces for 28-vehicles, and a detached storage building/garage. There are currently 12 office suites in
the buildings. The property was developed in the late 1980s with initial occupancy in 1989.
Improvements also include rooftop solar which provides power to the building.
The request is to remodel the existing buildings to convert the land use from offices to 12 one- and
two-bedroom apartments. There will be no exterior changes to the buildings or parking area except to
add a small outdoor amenity area.
General Plan
Our Commitment, page 13: Maintain the delicate balance of land uses that make the Town a
desirable place to live, work, enjoy and visit.
Our Commitment, page 13: Support existing businesses and continue to attract businesses that
stimulate the Town’s economy.
Our Vision, page 14: Residents enjoy a walkable community that is conducive to civic involvement
and activities.
Our Vision, page 14: A variety of housing options are available in safe, quiet, pleasant, and
enjoyable neighborhoods.
Thriving Neighborhoods Goals and Policies, page 23
Goal 2: Support a housing strategy that encourages a broad range of quality housing types
to address current and future housing needs and to support long-term economic vitality.
Policy 1. Encourage a broad range of housing types affordable to all income ranges
and age groups in a manner compatible with adjacent development.
Policy 2. Encourage a range of housing types and residential densities and maintain
consistency with the existing character of infill areas in conformance with criteria
provided in Table 1: Character Areas Plan.
Policy 4. Encourage quality urban, compact, walkable mixed-use development that
complements surrounding uses in the Town Center and in other areas that may
become available for urban development.
Policy 6. Support quality residential development that meets Town housing needs,
promotes the vitality of established neighborhoods, and enhances the quality of life
of Fountain Hills.
Goal 4: Attract quality residential development that supports the healthy and active
lifestyle valued by the community.
Policy 1: Ensure that new neighborhoods:
a. Sensitively and aesthetically integrate residential development to the
social, built and natural environments by supporting neighborhood
connectivity to Fountain Hills’ Great Places.
Character Area Goals and Polices, page 38
Goal 1: Encourage future development, redevelopment and infill in a manner that will
maintain and protect existing neighborhoods, the Town’s economic health, community
well-being, and natural environment.
Policy 4. Direct commerce and employment to the character areas that sustain them
in conformance with the Character Areas Plan map and Table 1.
Goal 2: Development, redevelopment and infill support Fountain Hill’s small-town identity
and the distinct character of each area while fostering long-term viability.
Policy 3. Support a mix of residential, employment, and commercial uses at densities
and intensities and in the development form that reflect the small-Town character of
Fountain Hills.
Policy 5. Strongly encourage a wide range of housing types, densities and prices to
support the current and projected populations (particularly families and working
professionals) and to ensure the future stock of affordable housing for all income
ranges.
Uses and Development Pattern for the Saguaro Boulevard Character Area:
Continuation of the mix of uses and low scale development pattern. Improvement
along the Saguaro Boulevard frontage, possibly to include the removal of the
frontage road, to present a high-quality street scene of active uses. Redevelopment
along Saguaro must consider the impacts of light and noise on the residential uses
along Saguaro.
Zoning Ordinance
This lot and the surrounding area is zoned C-3 and developed with a variety of commercial uses
including offices, auto repair, outdoor storage, retail, and restaurants. The Zoning Ordinance,
Chapter 12, defines the intention of the C-3 zoning district as follows:
"C-3. General Commercial Zoning District: The principal purpose of this Zoning District is to
provide for commercial uses concerned with wholesale or distribution activities in locations
where there is adequate access to major streets or highways. Principal uses permitted in this
Zoning District include retail and wholesale commerce and commercial entertainment."
The C-3 zoning district is the most intense commercial district in Fountain Hills, allowing uses
such as art metal and ornamental iron shops, cabinet and carpentry shops, landscape material
sales, lumberyards, miniature golf courses and driving ranges, and automobile sales by right.
Existing surrounding uses include a variety of outdoor storage activities, auto repair and office.
There are retail and restaurant uses available along Saguaro Boulevard.
Section 12.03 of the Zoning Ordinance allows for consideration of residential uses in commercial
zoning districts through a Special Use Permit. Residential uses are not allowed by right in the
commercial zoning districts in order to keep the focused first on the desired primary activity in
these areas. Residential uses in a commercial area take away the opportunity for the
commercial activity that could take place on the property and can create a problem for existing
or future commercial activity in the area.
Section 2.02 of the zoning ordinance establishes the process and
criteria for consideration of a SUP. Section 2.02 F. 1. d. of the zoning ordinance states:
d. In order to recommend approval of any use permit, the findings of the Commission must be
that the establishment, maintenance, or operation of the use or building applied for will not be
detrimental to the public health, safety, peace, comfort, and general welfare of persons residing
or working in the neighborhood of such proposed use, nor shall it be detrimental or injurious to
property and improvements in the neighborhood or to the general welfare of the Town.
Analysis
This area was zoned and platted prior to incorporation of the Town for commercial uses. It is still
the desire of the Town to have this be a successful commercial center. In consideration of this
request for the Special Use permit, the questions become:
1. Would the proposed
residential use be detrimental to the public health, safety, peace, or comfort of the neighborhood?
2. Would allowing residential use of this property be detrimental or injurious to the
current commercial property improvements?
3. Is the residential use being designed and established in a manner that creates a desirable living
environment in a manner compatible with the adjacent development and supportive of the
general welfare of the Town?
Impact on public health, safety, peace, or comfort of the neighborhood. Redeveloping the
existing buildings for residential use is unlikely to have a detrimental impact on the public
health, safety, peace or comfort of the surrounding neighborhood.
Impact on the adjacent commercial property improvements. Owners of surrounding properties
and the existing business on those properties have been established in an area devoted to
non-residential uses. In this type of heavy commercial area, higher levels of noise and activity
are anticipated and expected. The introduction of people living in the area creates the
potential that the residents will expect and not tolerate the level of noise and activity
historically associated with this area. As noted in some of the General Plan policy statements
above, there is a desire to maintain the established commercial areas and encourage job
growth. The Character Area plan for this area is to maintain and improve upon the commercial
nature that has been established. Other properties in the area are underutilized. Reuse of this
property could stimulate others to rethink how their property could be used in a more
productive manner.
productive manner.
Creating a desirable living environment that supports the general welfare of the Town. As noted
in several of the General Plan goals and policies stated above, a key component of the Plan is to
create and maintain quality residential neighborhoods for people to live in. The places
established for people to live should provide quiet neighborhoods or be part of a mixed-use
urban environment that supports an active lifestyle. As currently developed, this location does
not support either of these two types of living environments. It is not a quiet neighbor and the
surrounding uses and development pattern, including the lack of sidewalks, does not create an
active urban environment. Residents of these dwelling units will potentially be subject to noise,
activities, and views that are not typical for a residential living environment.
Citizen Participation
Copies of the applicant's citizen participation plan and report are attached. A meeting was held
and one neighboring property owner attended. This neighboring business supported the
request. Property owners within 300' were also provided a phone number and email address to
contact the applicant with questions or comments. No other comments were received.
Staff received one email, copy attached, expressing concerns about introducing residential uses
into this commercial area with its associated noise, odors, and activity.
Related Ordinance, Policy or Guiding Principle
Zoning Ordinance Chapter 2, Section 2.02, Special Use Permits
Zoning Ordinance Chapter 12, Section 12.03, Uses Requiring Special Use Permits
Risk Analysis
N/A
Recommendation(s) by Board(s) or Commission(s)
N/A
Staff Recommendation(s)
Staff sees some challenges with approving the requested Special Use Permit and allowing residential
uses at this location within a commercial district. This isolated pocket of residential activity will be
subject to negative impacts from the surrounding commercial activities.
However, the General Plan encourages a wide variety of living options and opportunities. Further, this
building has been vacant for many years. Repurposing the building for residential uses would be a
creative reuse. The applicant's Good Neighbor Policy states the intent to work with surrounding
property owners to resolve any disputes or concerns.
Staff can support a recommendation for approval of this requested SUP to allow up to 12 dwelling units
on this lot in the existing buildings.
SUGGESTED MOTION
MOVE to recommend approval/denial of SUP 24-000002.
Attachments
Vicinity Map
Project Narrative
Site Plan
Citizen Participation Plan
Citizen Participation Report
Good Neighbor Statement
Opposition Email
Vicinity
CASE: SUP24-000002
SITE / ADDRESS:
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APN 176-08-601A
REQUEST:
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Arthur and Heather Tolis
16115 E. Glenview Drive
Fountain Hills, Arizona 85268
480-270-9244 / 480-432-6764
Art@TolisMortgageUSA.com / TolisGroupAZ@Gmail.com
REQUEST FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT / AND OR ZONING CHANGE AS RECOMMENDED BY
STAFF IN ORDER TO PROVIDE RESIDENTIAL USE OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY IN ORDER
TO SUPPORT TOWN AND COUNCIL INITIATIVES TO PROVIDE MORE HOUSING OPTIONS.
PROPERTY ADDRESS
12005 North Panorama Dr.
Fountain Hills, AZ 85268
Project Overview/ Conversion Narrative
The property at 12005 North Panorama Dr. Fountain Hills, AZ 85268, currently encompasses
over 10,120 square feet, and includes 12 office units under C3 zoning for commercial use.
However, with the shift in office space needs and a growing trend towards home-based work,
this property is poised for conversion into residential housing. This change aligns with the
town's general and strategic plans, addressing both the surplus of commercial vacancies and the
increasing demand for residential options.
Current Zoning: C-3
C-3. General Commercial Zoning District: The principal purpose of this Zoning District is
to provide for commercial uses concerned with wholesale or distribution activities in
locations where there is adequate access to major streets or highways. Principal uses
permitted in this Zoning District include retail and wholesale commerce and commercial
entertainment.
The property sits adjacent to an automotive repair shop, a water company, an RV (Recreational
Vehicles) self-storage facility, other commercial office space, and is near residential areas and
Fountain Park—a mere four-minute walk away. The surrounding amenities, such as a local
deli/neighborhood convenience store, Fountain Park, Four Peaks Vista Park/Dog park, skate
park, soccer fields, etc. are all within a short walk. In addition, there are multiple dining options
for residents to enjoy the convenience of walking from the property.
The proposed development involves transforming the existing structure into 12 residential
apartments, each approximately 840 square feet. These units will offer one and two bedrooms, a
kitchen, and a full bath. The current design of the building, including separate utilities for each
unit and adequate parking (28 spaces), makes this conversion feasible.
Within just a short distance down the street from this property are multi-family residential
condominiums and significant single family housing developments all within walking distance of
the Fountain Park and other park amenities. This change will not adversely affect the area and
will contribute to the added safety and vibrancy that comes with added residential activity.
Compliance and Upgrades
Our plan includes/will include all necessary updates to meet residential building codes,
particularly concerning fire safety. The existing cinderblock walls have the required fire ratings,
and we will install fire suppression systems and other mandated fire-related upgrades, as
necessary based on current updated code requirements. All changes will be documented and
submitted for permits and inspections to ensure full compliance.
Timeline and Approvals
We aim to secure approval for the residential use of the property at the September town council
meeting with full approval recommendation by the Planning and Zoning Commissioners at the
August meeting. Following approval, the goal is to close escrow by November 1. Renovations
are projected to take 3-4 months, allowing for a phased approach to construction and
occupancy.
Market Positioning
These new residential units will be competitively priced between $1800 and $2200 per month,
aligning with the current market rates for comparable properties in the area. The location's
convenience and the vibrant local amenities make it an attractive option for potential residents.
We will also be providing as an added amenity a dog area along with an outdoor grilling area
for community gathering and socializing. The property has adequate space outdoors for this
added amenity and a central courtyard with park benches and a water feature for residence to
enjoy in peace.
Conclusion
The conversion of 12005 North Panorama Dr. into residential housing addresses both the excess
of commercial vacancies and the housing needs of Fountain Hills. This project will provide well-
located, market-aligned housing, contributing positively to the community's development and
supporting the town’s strategic goals.
We respectfully request approval of this needed residential apartment housing and look forward
to providing a first-class residential housing option for future residents.
Thank you for your consideration,
Art and Heather Tolis
Site Plan 12005 N. Panorama Dr.: All existing site improvements to remain
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Art and Heather Tolis
16115 E Glenview Drive
Fountain Hills, Arizona 85268
480-270-9244/480-432-6764
Art@TolisMortgageUSA.com / TolisGroupAZ@Gmail.com
Citizen Participation Plan for 12005 Panorama Special Use Permit
Date: May 29, 2024
Purpose:
This Citizen Participation Plan informs citizens, property owners, and nearby
neighborhood associations of the special use permit application for residential uses of
the former office building at 12005 N. Panorama. This plan will ensure that those
affected by this application will have an adequate opportunity to learn about and
comment on the proposal.
Applicant:
Art and Heather Tolis
16115 E. Glenview Dr.
Fountain Hills, AZ 85268
Location:
The property considered for this SUP is on the east side of North Panorama Dr. north of
Saguaro.
2.
Action Plan:
To provide effective citizen participation in conjunction with this application, the
following actions will be taken to provide opportunities to understand and address any
real or perceived impacts of the development that members of the community may
have.
1. A contact list will be developed for citizens within 300’ of the project location.
2. All persons listed on the contact list will receive a letter describing the project,
project schedule, and invitation to a neighborhood meeting to be held at the
property 12005 N Panorama Drive – 1st Floor conference room July 10th at 2pm. The
letter will also include access information for anyone wanting to attend the
meetings virtually.
The meeting will be an introduction to the project, and an opportunity to ask
questions and state concerns. A sign-in list will be used, and comment forms
provided. Copies of the sign-in list and any comments will be submitted with the
Citizen Participation Report.
3. Presentations will be made to any other groups or citizens upon request. Copies of
the sign-in list and any comments will be submitted with the Citizen Participation
Report.
4. An email will be sent to the case planner following each of the scheduled meetings,
and at any other time there is significant input to inform the staff of the progress of
implementing the Plan.
Follow Up: On or before July 31, 2024 a Citizen Participation Report will be submitted to the
Town summarizing comments received and actions, if any, to be taken in response to
the comments.
Schedule:
Mail letters by June 30th, 2024
Neighborhood meeting July 10, 2024
Neighborhood Meeting Report
Property Address:
12005 North Panorama Dr.
Fountain Hills, AZ 85268
Meeting Summary and Response:
A neighborhood meeting was conducted in July to discuss the proposed plans for the property
located at 12005 North Panorama Dr. Notifications were sent to all residents in the vicinity,
inviting them to attend the meeting or reach out via phone or email with any questions or
concerns.
Community Response:
Personal Contact:
Only one individual reached out personally via phone. This was the owner of the property
immediately to the west of the building.
Inquiries and Support:
The owners of Mike’s Automotive inquired about the plans for the building. They expressed
strong support for the vision and intent to utilize the building for residential purposes. They
agreed that the location was excellent, noting the benefits of the nearby amenities, including the
park and various restaurants on Saguaro within walking distance. They believe the proposed
residential use would add vibrancy to the area with minimal impact on their business or the
surrounding neighborhood.
Meeting Attendance:
No other property owners in the area attended the meeting at the building.
No additional contacts were made via phone or email, despite the contact information being
provided in the communication sent to all residents.
Conclusion:
The overall response to the proposed residential use of the property at 12005 North Panorama
Dr. has been positive, with support from neighboring businesses and minimal concerns raised by
other property owners.
Respectfully submitted,
Art and Heather Tolis
Art and Heather Tolis
16115 E Glenview Drive
Fountain Hills, Arizona 85268
480-270-9244 / 480-432-6764
Art@TolisMortgageUSA.com / TolisGroupAZ@gmail.com
Citizen Participation Plan for Special Use Permit for:
PROPERTY ADDRESS
12005 North Panorama Dr.
Fountain Hills, AZ 85268
Good Neighbor Policy for Changing Property Use from Commercial to Residential Use
Introduction:
This Good Neighbor Policy outlines the commitments and actions we pledge to undertake to
ensure a smooth and respectful transition as we change the use of our property from
commercial to residential. Our goal is to foster a positive relationship with our neighbors and
maintain the quality of life in the community. We believe this change will bring more vibrancy
to the area and provide for a safer environment for the public right of way from Saguaro
Boulevard to the northeast corner of Panorama Drive adjacent to Fountain Park.
Commitments:
1. Transparent Communication:
- We will notify all adjacent property owners and neighborhood associations of our
intent to change the property use, including detailed plans and timelines. The required 300
ft notification will be provided.
* Expected Timeline:
Mail out Notifications regarding Special Use Permit Request – June 2024
Meeting at Property for Property Owners – July 2024
Planning and Zoning Meeting Approval – August 2024
Council Final Approval September 2024
- Detailed plans will include start dates / end dates.
We expect the construction upgrades to begin once we close escrow – expected
date November 1, 2024.
- Notice will be located on the property to add to the transparency of the zoning request
with the dates and times of the upcoming related town meetings.
2. Community Input:
- We will hold local property owner community meetings to gather input and address
concerns from neighbors which will be scheduled for July 2024
- Feedback will be considered in the planning and development process to minimize
negative impacts and will be shared with the Planning and Zoning commissioners.
3. Minimizing Disruption:
- Construction activities will be scheduled to minimize noise and disruption, adhering to
local noise ordinances, and working during reasonable hours.
- We will implement measures to control dust, debris, and traffic associated with
construction. The property has adequate parking and a work area behind the building
which will be used in the construction upgrading phase.
4. Parking and Traffic Management:
- A traffic and parking plan will be developed to address potential issues arising from the
new residential use. The property has adequate parking and there should not be any
issues with traffic. Each tenant will have an assigned parking space which will eliminate
parking issues and unlicensed parking on the property.
- Adequate parking will be provided on-site to reduce street parking congestion.
5. Environmental Responsibility:
- We will ensure that any construction or renovation follows environmental regulations
and best practices to minimize ecological impact.
- Green spaces and landscaping will be incorporated to enhance the neighborhood’s
aesthetics and environment.
- The open space/pocket park will be created for residents to enjoy barbecue grill and
quite enjoyment on the property.
6. Safety and Security:
- Site safety will be a priority, with secure fencing and clear signage to keep the area safe
for residents and passersby when construction is being completed.
- We will work with local law enforcement to ensure the new residential development
contributes positively to neighborhood security. Currently, the building has security
cameras and motion detection lighting. With the added activity and residential use, it will
be safer than the current vacant building.
7. Property Maintenance:
- The property will be maintained to a high standard, ensuring it is clean, safe, and
attractive.
- Regular maintenance and prompt repair of any issues will be carried out to prevent
negative impacts on the surrounding area.
8. Conflict Resolution:
- A designated point of contact will be available for neighbors to voice concerns or
complaints.
- We commit to addressing and resolving issues promptly and respectfully.
Implementation:
- Notification: Detailed letters and emails will be sent to all affected parties outlining the
project, timeline, and contact information.
- Meetings: Initial and follow-up community meetings will be scheduled, with dates and
locations communicated well in advance.
-Feedback Channels:
A dedicated email address will be established for continuous
feedback and updates.
-Monitoring:
Regular monitoring of construction impacts, and community feedback will be
conducted to adjust plans, as necessary.
Conclusion
We are dedicated to being a responsible and considerate neighbor during this transition.
Through proactive communication, thoughtful planning, and a commitment to addressing
community concerns, we aim to ensure a harmonious integration of the new residential use into
the existing neighborhood fabric. We strongly believe the new vibrancy which will come from
this location will add value to the adjacent business owners on Saguaro Blvd which is walking
distance of this new residential upscale/updated apartment complex.
Contact Information:
Project Manager: Art and Heather Tolis
Phone: 480-270-9244 / 480-432-6764
Email: Art@TolisMortgageUSA.com
Thank you for your cooperation and support as we work to improve our community.
Hello John,
We just received notice about an application for a special use permit for 12005 N Panorama,
the Christensen Corporate Center. We own and operate Breton's Automotive which is located
just behind the property in question. There are multiple reasons that having a residential
property in the midst of multiple businesses like ours is a terrible idea. The surrounding
businesses which have all been here for many years consist largely of automotive repair,
construction companies, and RV storage. This area is constantly bustling with things that I most
certainly would not want outside my home or bedroom window.
Our business hours are from 7:00am-6:00pm Monday - Thursday. Automotive repair comes
with loud noises and aromas that I doubt the average tenant would appreciate waking up to or
living with every day. There are also delivery trucks and customer traffic associated with our
business and that of our neighbors. I foresee a tremendous number of complaints from any
residents that move into what should remain a commercial property. This is a bad idea for the
area for which it is planned, and it will result in unhappy residents, as well as unhappy
business owners. On behalf of my family and our business I request that this special use permit
be denied.
Carole Breton
17123 East Falcon Drive
Fountain Hills, Arizona 85268
(480) 421-9048
www.bretonsauto.com
From:John Wesley
To:Paula Woodward
Subject:FW: Special Use Permit (APN# 176-08-601A
Date:Tuesday, August 6, 2024 11:30:15 AM
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Please add this to the P&Z packet.
From: Ben Siegert <
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2024 11:25 AM
To: John Wesley <jwesley@fountainhillsaz.gov>
Cc: Jerrad Trulson
Subject: Special Use Permit (APN# 176-08-601A
EXTERNAL EMAIL
Mr. Wesley,
My name is Ben Siegert, I am the Vice President of T&T Construction Inc., we have owned the
property at N Falcon Drive since 1996. We are located directly behind 12005 N Panorama
Drive.
We are against rezoning of the subject property for residential use. This area is a commercial area
with several construction yards, mechanic shops, and storage yards used for small contractors
and their equipment. The nature of the work around these commercial areas involves early hours
loading and unloading of materials, equipment operation, power tool usage, and trucks operating
with back up alarms. There are multiple contractors with Emergency Job Order Contracts for
municipalities and private utilities located in this area. These contracts require response outside
of normal working hours and could be at any hour of the day or night. This could lead to disruptive
noise to the residential property if approved and would be considered acceptable within the Town
of Fountain Hills noise ordinance.
While the above is inherent to a commercial area, this will be a nuisance to future residents if the
property is rezoned for residential use, resulting in complaints to the Town and the existing
business operators in the area.
We are not in favor of the special use rezoning to allow residential usage of the subject property,
and hope the Town takes these concerns into consideration.
Thanks, Ben Siegert, V.P.
P: ext. 14F:
www.ttconstruction.com
ITEM 6.
TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS
STAFF REPORT
Meeting Date: 08/12/2024 Meeting Type: Planning and Zoning Commission
Agenda Type: Submitting Department: Development Services
Prepared by: John Wesley, Development Services Director
Staff Contact Information: John Wesley, Development Services Director
Request to Planning and Zoning Commission (Agenda Language): CONDUCT A PUBLIC
HEARING, CONSIDERATION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION: Ordinance #24-13 amending Zoning
Ordinance Section 5.14, Home Occupations, regarding allowances for on-street parking.
Staff Summary (Background)
In early 2024 staff processed an amendment to the Zoning Ordinance addressing several issues with the
Town's home occupation regulations. This ordinance was considered by the Planning and Zoning
Commission at their meeting on February 12, 2024, and recommended for approval.
The Town Council considered the text amendment at their meeting on March 19, 2024. At this hearing
there were some comments from the public and discussion by the Council for some adjustments to the
ordinance. One of the comments made from a citizen had to do with the potential impact of on-street
parking from a business being operated in a home. The subsequent motion by the Council did not
include the additional language regarding on-street parking. Staff has been asked to bring this issue
back through the review process to address the concern presented at the Council hearing.
The request made at the Council meeting was to adjust the ordinance to require that during business
hours, all parking associated with the property has to occur in the garage or on a paved driveway or
on-site paved parking space if there is space for them. Only if all on-site parking is occupied could there
be any parking on the street.
The proposed ordinance language is:
G. Traffic and Parking. Customer/patron and shipping/receiving trip generation shall not exceed six (6)
vehicle trips a day. No more than one (1) vehicle used for commercial purposes associated with the
business may be parked on site and must comply with Section 12-3-10. During business hours, parking
by customers, patrons, or employees must be on the property on an approved paving surface. THERE
SHALL BE NO ON-STREET PARKING FOR ANY PURPOSE DURING BUSINESS HOURS IF THERE IS ON-SITE
PARKING AVAILABLE. STREET PARKING MAY ONLY BE USED WHEN ON-SITE PARKING IS FULL.
Enforcement of this ordinance will be on a complaint basis because Code Officers will not generally
know which properties house a home occupation.
Related Ordinance, Policy or Guiding Principle
Zoning Ordinance Section 5.14, Home Occupations
Risk Analysis
N/A
Recommendation(s) by Board(s) or Commission(s)
N/A
Staff Recommendation(s)
Staff recommends approval.
SUGGESTED MOTION
MOVE to recommend adoption of Ordinance #24-13.
Attachments
Ordinance 24-13
ORDINANCE NO. 24-13
AN ORDINANCE OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF THE TOWN OF
FOUNTAIN HILLS, ARIZONA, AMENDING THE FOUNTAIN HILLS ZONING
ORDINANCE CHAPTER 5, GENERAL PROVISIONS, SECTION 5.14 HOME
OCCUPATIONS PROVIDING ADDITIONAL STANDARDS FOR PARKING
ENACTMENTS:
NOW THEREFORE BE IT ORDAINED BY THE MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL OF FOUNTAIN HILLS, ARIZONA,
as follows:
SECTION 1. That Section 5.14 G is amended as follows
G. Traffic and Parking. Customer/patron and shipping/receiving trip generation shall not exceed six (6)
vehicle trips a day. No more than one (1) vehicle used for commercial purposes associated with the
business may be parked on site and must comply with Section 12-3-10. During business hours, parking
by customers, patrons, or employees must be on the property on an approved paving surface. THERE
SHALL BE NO ON-STREET PARKING FOR ANY PURPOSE DURING BUSINESS HOURS IF THERE IS ON-SITE
PARKING AVAILABLE. STREET PARKING MAY ONLY BE USED WHEN ON-SITE PARKING IS FULL.
Section 2. In accordance with Article II, Sections 1 and 2, Constitution of Arizona, and the laws of the State
of Arizona, the City/Town Council has considered the individual property rights and personal liberties of
the residents of the City/Town and the probable impact of the proposed ordinance on the cost to
construct housing for sale or rent before adopting this ordinance.
PASSED AND ADOPTED by the Mayor and Council of the Town of Fountain Hills, Maricopa County,
Arizona, this 17TH day of September, 2024.
FOR THE TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS: ATTESTED TO:
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Ginny Dickey, Mayor Linda Mendenhall, Town Clerk
REVIEWED BY: APPROVED AS TO FORM:
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Rachael, Town Manager Aaron D. Arnson, Town Attorney