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NOTICE OF MEETING
REGULAR MEETING
FOUNTAIN HILLS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
Chairman Peter Gray
Vice Chairman Scott Schlossberg
Commissioner Patrick Dapaah
Commissioner Clayton Corey
Commissioner Susan Dempster
Commissioner Dan Kovacevic
Commissioner Rick Watts
TIME:6:00 P.M. – REGULAR MEETING
WHEN:MONDAY, JUNE 12, 2023
WHERE:FOUNTAIN HILLS COUNCIL CHAMBERS
16705 E. AVENUE OF THE FOUNTAINS, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ
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REGULAR MEETING
REGULAR MEETING
1.CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND MOMENT OF SILENCE – Chairman Gray
2.ROLL CALL – Chairman Gray
3.CALL TO THE PUBLIC
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of the Call to the Public, individual commissioners may (i) respond to criticism, (ii) ask staff to review a matter, or
(iii) ask that the matter be placed on a future Commission agenda.
4.CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: approving the regular meeting minutes of the
Planning and Zoning Commission May 8, 2023.
5.CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: annual report on the implementation of the
Fountain Hills General Plan 2020.
6.PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERATION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION: Ordinance 23-04, repealing and
replacing Zoning Ordinance Chapter 6, Sign Regulations.
7.COMMISSION DISCUSSION/REQUEST FOR RESEARCH to staff.
8.SUMMARY OF COMMISSION REQUESTS from Development Services Director.
9.REPORT from Development Services Director.
10.ADJOURNMENT
CERTIFICATE OF POSTING OF NOTICE
The undersigned hereby certifies that a copy of the foregoing notice was duly posted in accordance with the statement filed
by the Planning and Zoning Commission with the Town Clerk.
Dated this ______ day of ____________________, 2023.
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Paula Woodward, Executive Assistant
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ITEM 4.
TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS
STAFF REPORT
Meeting Date: 06/12/2023 Meeting Type: Planning and Zoning Commission
Agenda Type: Submitting Department: Development Services
Prepared by: Paula Woodward, Executive Assistant
Staff Contact Information: Paula Woodward, Executive Assistant
Request to Planning and Zoning Commission (Agenda Language): CONSIDERATION AND
POSSIBLE ACTION: approving the regular meeting minutes of the Planning and Zoning
Commission May 8, 2023.
Staff Summary (Background)
The intent of approving meeting minutes is to ensure an accurate account of the discussion and action
that took place at the meeting for archival purposes. Approved minutes are placed on the Town's
website and maintained as permanent records in compliance with state law.
Related Ordinance, Policy or Guiding Principle
N/A
Risk Analysis
N/A
Recommendation(s) by Board(s) or Commission(s)
N/A
Staff Recommendation(s)
Staff recommends approving the meeting minutes of the regular meeting minutes of the Planning and
Zoning Commission May 8, 2023.
SUGGESTED MOTION
MOVE to approve the regular meeting minutes of the Planning and Zoning Commission May 8, 2023.
Attachments
Summary Minutes & Verbatim Transcript
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TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING
OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
MAY 8, 2023
1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND MOMENT OF SILENCE
Chairman Gray called the Regular Meeting of the Fountain Hills Planning and
Zoning Commission held on May 8, 2023, to order at 6:01 p.m. and led the
Commission and audience in the Pledge of Allegiance and Moment of Silence.
2. ROLLCALL
Commissioners Present: Chairman Peter Gray: Vice Chairman Scott Schlossberg;
Commissioner Clayton Corey; Commissioner Susan Dempster; Commissioner;
Commissioner Rick Watts, Jr.
Commissioners Absent: Dan Kovacevic
Staff Present: Development Services Director John Wesley, Senior Planner Farhad
Tavassoli, and Executive Assistant Paula Woodward
3. CALL TO THE PUBLIC
No one from the public spoke.
4. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: approving the regular meeting minutes
of the Planning and Zoning Commission April 10, 2023.
MOVED BY Commissioner Dempster to approve the regular meeting minutes of the
Planning and Zoning Commission April 10, 2023, SECONDED BY Commissioner
Watts. Vote: 6 - 0 Unanimously
Recorder’s Note: Chairman Gray reordered the agenda items as follows: 1, 2, 3, 4, 7,
6, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, due to the number of residents speaking and in attendance
on behalf of those items.
5. PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: Zone Change for a
dual-zoned parcel from R1-35H and OSR to a uniformly zoned R1-35H parcel, located at
16134 E. Tombstone Ave. in Firerock Parcel F, Lot 5 (APN 176-11-069). RZ23-000001
MOVED BY Commissioner Dempster to recommend the Town Council approve the
Zone Change to a dual-zoned parcel from R1-35H and OSR to a uniformly zoned R1-35H
parcel, located at 16134 E. Tombstone Ave. SECONDED BY Commissioner Dapaah.
Vote: 6 - 0 passed – Unanimously
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6. PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: SPECIAL USE
PERMIT request to allow 16 licensed beds at a home for the aged on a 0.37-acre parcel
located at the northeast corner of Palisades Blvd. and Westby Drive (16602 E. Palisades
Blvd.: APN 176-05-993) in the R-3 Multifamily Zoning District. SUP23-000002
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The following residents provided written statements stating that they were against the
project:
James Bonifas
Tom Peterson
Tom Campbell
Sharon Campbell
The following residents addressed the Commission:
Crystal Cavanaugh
Veronica Oliver
Larry Meyers
MOVED BY Commissioner Dapaah to recommend the Town Council approve the
SPECIAL USE PERMIT request to allow 16 licensed beds at a home for the aged on a
0.37-acre parcel located at the northeast corner of Palisades Blvd. and Westby Drive
(16602 E. Palisades Blvd.: APN 176-05-993) in the R-3 Multifamily Zoning District.
MOTIONED FAILED.
MOVED BY Commissioner Watts to recommend the Town Council deny the SPECIAL
USE PERMIT request to allow 16 licensed beds at a home for the aged on a 0.37-acre
parcel located at the northeast corner of Palisades Blvd. and Westby Drive (16602 E.
Palisades Blvd.: APN 176-05-993) in the R-3 Multifamily Zoning District. SECONDED BY
Commission Dempster.
Vote: 5 - 1 passed
Commissioner Corey Aye
Commissioner Dapaah Nay
Commissioner Dempster Aye
Commissioner Watts Aye
Vice Chairman Schlossberg Aye
Chairman Peter Gray Aye
Recorder's Note: The Planning and Zoning Commission recessed at 8:36 p.m. for a short
break and reconvened at 8:45 p.m.
7. PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERATION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION HOLD A PUBLIC
HEARING, CONSIDERATION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION: A request for approval
of a SPECIAL USE PERMIT for residential use of commercially zoned property at 12800
N. Saguaro Boulevard, the northwest corner of Saguaro Boulevard and Paul Nordin
Parkway, to allow conversion of the existing hotel into apartments and four short-term
rental units. SUP23-000004
The following residents provided written statements stating that they were against the
project:
Sherry Lyons
Melisa Weedo
Carrie Martinez
Linda Washut
Kathleen Kellenberg
Jean Caskey
Sharon Campbell
The following residents addressed the Commission:
Crystal Cavanaugh
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Larry Meyers
Amy Bennett
MOVED BY Commissioner Dempster to recommend the Town Council deny the
SPECIAL USE PERMIT for residential use of commercially zoned property at 12800 N.
Saguaro Boulevard, the northwest corner of Saguaro Boulevard and Paul Nordin
Parkway, to allow conversion of the existing hotel into apartments and four short-term
rental units. SECONDED BY Commissioner Corey.
Vote: 5-1 passed
Commissioner Corey Aye
Commissioner Dapaah Aye
Commissioner Dempster Aye
Commissioner Watts Aye
Vice Chairman Schlossberg Nay
Chairman Peter Gray Aye
8. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERATION, AND POSSIBLE DIRECTION: A
request for approval of a Special Use Permit to permit up to 10 apartments in three
buildings on a .33-acre parcel located at 16741 E. Glenbrook, the southwest corner of
Glenbrook Boulevard and Fountain Hills Boulevard. SUP23-000001
MOVED BY Commissioner Corey to recommend the Town Council approve the
SPECIAL USE PERMIT up to 10 apartments in three buildings on a .33-acre parcel
located at 16741 E. Glenbrook, the southwest corner of Glenbrook Boulevard and
Fountain Hills Boulevard. SECONDED BY Commissioner Watts.
Vote: 6 - 0 unanimously
Commissioner Corey Aye
Commissioner Dapaah Aye
Commissioner Dempster Aye
Commissioner Watts Aye
Vice Chairman Schlossberg Aye
Chairman Peter Gray Aye
9. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE DIRECTION: Modifications to Chapter 6, Sign
Regulations, of the Zoning Ordinance.
Agenda item #10 was continued to the Planning & Zoning Commission June 12, 2023
meeting.
10. SUMMARY OF COMMISSION REQUESTS from Development Services Director.
11. REPORT from Development Services Director.
12. ADJOURNMENT
Chairman Gray adjourned the Regular meeting of the Fountain Hills Planning and Zoning
Commission held on May 8, 2023, at 9:25 p.m.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
Chairman Peter Gray
ATTESTED AND PREPARED BY
Paula Woodward, Executive Assistant
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CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are a true and correct copy of the minutes of the
Regular Meeting held by the Planning and Zoning Commission, Fountain Hills in the Town Hall
Council Chambers on May 8, 2023. I further certify that the meeting was duly called and that a
quorum was present.
DATED this day of May 30, 2023.
Paula Woodward, Executive Assistant
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GRAY: All right. Let's go ahead and call this meeting to order, please. This is the May
8th venue of the Fountain Hills Planning and Zoning Commission.
If you would all please rise with us for the pledge of allegiance and a moment of silence.
ALL: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic
for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
[MOMENT OF SILENCE]
GRAY: Thank you. Okay. Paula, roll call, please.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Corey?
COREY: Here.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Dapaah?
DAPAAH: Here.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Dempster?
DEMPSTER: Here.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Watts?
WATTS: Here.
WOODWARD: Vice Chairman Schlossberg?
SCHLOSSBERG: Here.
WOODWARD: Chairman Gray?
GRAY: Here.
WOODWARD: And Commissioner Kovacevic is excused absence.
GRAY: Thank you, Paula.
Agenda item 3, Call to the Public. Paula, do we have any open speaker cards?
WOODWARD: No, Chairman.
GRAY: Thank you, Paula. Moving right along. Agenda item number 4, consideration
and action on the regular meeting minutes from the April 10th, 2023 venue.
Commissioners any discussion or motion, please? Commissioner Dempster.
DEMPSTER: I'd like to make a motion to approve the regular meeting minutes of the
Planning and Zoning Commission, April 10th, 2023.
WATTS: Second.
GRAY: Commissioner Watts seconds. All in favor?
ALL: Aye.
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WOODWARD: Six, zero.
GRAY: Thank you, Paula. All right. Now, we're going to break protocol here very
quickly. We've got agenda item 5, 6, and 7 are all public hearings. Sorry. 5, 6, 7, and 8
are all public hearings on various requests. Informal show of hands. I'd like to see who
in the audience is here for agenda item 6, which is the 16 licensed beds at 16602 East
Palisades. And then agenda item 7, which is a special use permit to rezone the hotel at
Saguaro Boulevard. Okay.
John, the applicant is here for agenda item 7? Commissioners, in the interest of the
majority of citizens here in the audience tonight, we're going to move agenda item 7 up in
the agenda to now be agenda item 5. And then we will flip-flop 5 and 6. So we'll go 7,
6, 5, 8 on our order today.
So with that, our new agenda item 4 is a public hearing consideration and possible action
on a request to approve a special use permit for residential use of the commercially zoned
property at Saguaro Boulevard on the northwest corner of Saguaro and Paul Nordin
Parkway to allow conversion of the existing hotel into apartments and four short-term
rental units.
Mr. Wesley, your presentation, please.
WESLEY: Commissioners, good evening. We'll go through this, I think, fairly quickly.
So just a little background. The property is zoned C-2. There was a little confusion early
on when the applicant initially made his application and we sent out the initial notice.
Our zoning map showed the property zoned TCCD, the town center commercial district.
As we did further research though, and in evaluating the report, we found that our map
was wrong. That somehow it inadvertently changed a few years ago and was, in fact, still
zoned C-2 as was some of the adjacent property.
So a hotel was constructed on the property in 2006. There have been several
owners/operators of that hotel over time. The current owner has had some discussions
off and on with staff about some modifications, adding some separate apartment units in
back, converting the third floor to apartments; discussions along that line. They've had a
permit for the third floor to add some kitchenettes into existing units. So some of that
work has been ongoing.
A new owner of the property is seeking to convert the entire building to apartments. C-2
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zoning district does not allow residential uses by right. There's two options then to
address that to get to where they want to be. One would be to rezone to a residential
zoning district -- multi-residential zoning district. Our high end is the R-5, given the size
of the property it would allow 80 units. They're looking to get 94. So the R-5 didn't
work. The other option is a special use permit in the C-2 district. So that's the option that
the applicant has taken is to request that special use permit.
So here we see the property in the light blue area. The hotel that's there at Paul Nordin
Parkway and Saguaro Boulevard. And you can see the surrounding zoning with the
TCCD to the north. The PAD for the Morningside to the west. C-2 to the south and
TCCD to the east. This property to the south is similar to this with a C-2 zoning, it has a
special use permit for the residential in that situation. As noted in the staff report there's
some others further to the west, along El Lago and then as we get up on Avenue of the
Fountains there are a half dozen or so properties with a C-2 zoning and a special use
permit for residential use.
The general plan and downtown specific plans provide some guidance for this. The
general plan encourages a range of housing types and densities in the community to
provide for a variety of residents that might want to make Fountain Hills their home. It
also encourages protection on maintaining character of a given neighborhood. And when
we say neighborhood, we're not just talking residential but it can be different types of
neighborhoods. And it also encourage and allow the town center to achieve its full
potential within the town center specific plan. That's divided into eight different districts.
This particular property is in the Avenue district, which is encouraged to be the town's
premier shopping district, provide a variety of uses and suggest that some housing would
be appropriate but lists it as small, as a brownstone style housing.
As a special use permit, Section 2.02(F)(1)(d), provides guidance to the Council on their
review and recommendation. And that approval should be based on, "will not be
detrimental to the public health, safety, peace, comfort, and general welfare of persons
residing or working in the neighborhood of such proposed use, nor shall it be detrimental
or injurious to property improvements in the neighborhood or to the general welfare of
the town".
So looking at this request with two ideas in mind, will be the proposed use be detrimental
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to the public health, safety, peace, and welfare goal? Again, in the town center plan is to
have a vibrant town center. And so what might contribute to that in terms of the mix of
uses and will this use impact that? There are a number of existing vacant commercial
properties in the town center area that haven't been developed yet, and a number of
buildings that aren't fully utilized. So in that regard there's several places in the town
center where commercial could happen versus on this particular property.
A hotel, however, we see as a very important use in our town center area, particularly so
close to the lake and the fountain. A great place proximity to the different events and
festivals that happen along the Avenue. So we have enjoyed and appreciated having a
hotel downtown and I think that is a use that can be part of that vibrant mix for the town
center.
Will use be detrimental or injurious to property improvements? Again, a variety of
housing types and densities are desired. The building already exists. They're planning to
utilize the existing footprint and the existing floors. There will be no outside changes
except for the need to add a few parking spaces to meet the code for that. So that would
not change. Currently we have people that will come and go on a very short-term basis
as they stay in the hotel. With the change, we would have permanent residents living
there on a longer term basis and providing maybe more consistent population for the
downtown and for the community. Also with the proposal that many of these will be
studio and one-bedroom apartments, more likely going to be more affordable for workers
for local restaurants and other businesses in the town center area. So that could be a
benefit for the community and benefit the businesses.
The existing building is not really designed for a retail use, given its orientation and
where the parking is and so forth. It will be difficult to have that actually retrofitted for
that type of use. And a vacant or underutilized building could be injurious to the
community in the downtown area.
Staff did not require a good neighbor policy with this. Given the nature of this use we
didn't see that it was necessarily important. If the Commission disagrees, we could
require the applicant to provide such a statement as part of an approval. They did go
through the citizen participation process; 11 people attended the meeting they held. They
did not report any significant comments. We have had, prior to today, just a few
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comments have come in, several more came in today and I think we have got several
people here wishing to speak about it this evening.
So with that, this proposed reuse of this building we think, overall, is consistent with both
the general plan and the downtown specific plan, although the hotel would be also. So
they're both very good uses for the area. Staff is recommending approval.
Any questions that you have?
GRAY: Commissioners, questions of John?
WESLEY: Oh, I will -- no. never mind. I was going to mention something but that's
actually on my other case. I won't mention it until we get to that case.
GRAY: John, I was just going to ask. Has economic development weighed in on their
position?
WESLEY: Yes, Chairman. I visited with our economic development director several
times about this. We both started off with a desire to try to keep the hotel, seeing that it's
been an overall benefit to the town for several reasons. But the more we got into it, I
guess, probably, I don't know if ambivalent is really quite the right word, but maybe
resigned to a change or accepting of a change. Again, a hotel would be very desirable if
it could really function as a hotel and be successful. But I believe that they feel that the
change to apartments also has its benefits of again providing people who can be workers
in the town center area as well as consistent occupancy.
GRAY: Vice Chairman?
SCHLOSSBERG: Yes, sir. Do you have a -- my mic on? I guess -- do you have a
timeline of the history of the hotel, basically, from the day it opened? And I believe, at
that time, it was a brand-name hotel and how many different entities it's been from that
day until present?
WESLEY: Chairman, Vice Chair, no. I thought about that a few times as I work on this
but never did go back and really try to resurrect that full history. I just know it has
changed several times. Even the four years I've been here, it's changed two or three
times.
SCHLOSSBERG: And are there any kind of occupancy numbers on the -- I'm assuming
it's functioning as a hotel right now; at least the bottom three floors?
WESLEY: So Chairman, Vice Chair, I believe portion of it is still functioning. I think
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most of the current remodel work has been on the third floor. The applicant's here, he
could probably give you more detail on that.
SCHLOSSBERG: Okay.
WESLEY: And no, I don't have any specific numbers. Just in general, talking to the
finance director in terms of what he can see with regard to the sales tax revenues, it has
been low. So indicating it hasn't been occupied very much.
SCHLOSSBERG: Thank you.
GRAY: Commissioner Watts?
WATTS: John, do you know what the breakdown is between studios, one-bedroom, two-
bedrooms?
WESLEY: I believe it was in the attachment. I don't have that right in front of me.
Again, the applicant will be able to confirm that when he's up here.
WATTS: Yeah. I went through that and I had a hard time figuring it out with all the
different colors and the things that were going on. And has the study on the sales tax
component -- because the sales tax is significantly reduced going to leases as opposed to
motels; about five percent.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Your microphone's not working.
WATTS: Microphone not working?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Sorry.
WOODWARD: Just try and -- try and get a little closer.
WATTS: Okay. Mine never works? Right. Okay. So the sales tax --
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I don't think it's (indiscernible).
WATTS: The sales tax component looks like it's significantly reduced and if you say
apples is apples and you're 100 percent occupancy leased or rented for short-term rentals,
it looks like it's down by 5.3 percent. Has anybody studied that impact to see what it
would do to the coffers of the town?
WESLEY: Chairman, Commissioner Watts, no, we have not done that specifically.
WATTS: Okay. And along with the impact on the sales tax component, and the reason I
want to know about the studios and one-bedroom is because the current listed rate of
1,495 per month, seems to be outside what I would call the norms as far as what
percentage of your net income should be applicable to rent. So in this town, we're in a 16
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to $18 range as far as compensation for the people that are struggling -- the companies or
the organizations that are struggling for people. And I don't see how you can support it,
the 1,495 with studio apartments. So I really want to know what the -- and maybe I'll ask
the applicant what the breakdown is studio and one-bedroom.
GRAY: John, just fundamentally, what's the difference between -- I guess, let me ask a
different way. The property could be operated on a long-term rental base, almost
mimicking apartments under a hotel licensure, couldn't it?
WESLEY: Chairman, yes. The definition of hotel includes dwelling units. So we know
of extended stay hotels. So you could have something similar to that happen. There's
also, at some point, the expectation of what is a hotel in terms of how reservations work
and having the desk clerks and all of those things that you see in a hotel, versus what
you'd see in just an apartment complex. Where that break is, would be hard to say
exactly. But certainly, in terms of having extended stay hotel, that is possible.
GRAY: And then, the special use permit would run with the land, right? It would run
with the property but a reversion back to a hotel would or would not require being
revisited through this process?
WESLEY: Yes, Chairman. Once the special use permit is issued and implemented, then
it would run with the land . If someone wanted to come back and turn it back into a
hotel, that would not require any specific action to come back through the town hearing
process because it is a use by right.
GRAY: Thank you, John. Do we have a presentation from the applicant?
WESLEY: The applicant is here. I think he would like to speak.
GRAY: Okay. Commissioner Watts?
WATTS: Just one more thing on the sales tax. If you took it as a hotel and long-term
rentals on it and applied that incremental difference of 5.3 percent, you're going to add
another $75 or so to the base price of the 1,495 that is currently listed. Making it even
more difficult to hit that $40,000 mark. I don't think the $40,000 mark for a particular
unit is reasonable. So I'd be concerned about that as well. And you say the town is not --
whether it's a -- I don't know who would do this. Is it the Chamber of Commerce that
would give us some input on the impact on losing hotel lodging across from the fair?
We've got a lot of activities go on there. We'd lose all of that if it converts to apartments.
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WESLEY: That's correct, we would.
WATTS: Okay.
GRAY: Commissioners, anything more for John, or should we call the applicant?
SCHLOSSBERG: Let's call the applicant.
BROWN: Good afternoon. Appreciate an opportunity to speak to you today. A couple
of things are going to become apparent very quickly. The first one is I'm not a Chinese
national and -- that was humor, just a little bit, it will lighten a little bit.
So I am a third-generation native Arizona. I've been around here for a long time and have
been part of Fountain Hills or through -- participated in Fountain Hills since high school
teenage years. So I feel like Scottsdale and the Fountain Hills areas are part of my
heritage as well. So when I came across this project I was blown away by the
possibilities that exist here. And so I've been excited and I've worked on this now for
about ten months, getting it to the place that we are today. And I brought some displays
that would show you some of the changes that we're attempting to make. And some of
the questions that you've asked already of John this evening, I may have answers for you.
I think I have answers for those things.
But let me start first with what seems to me to be our biggest challenge and that is as a
hotel it has 104 units and out of the 104, 84 of them are studios, and 20 of them are one-
bedroom suites. I felt like that might be a little bit of a challenge to fill that portion of it
and so we began reassessing the building itself and wherever we found clusters of three
studios side by side, we have elected to take out the middle one, put a bedroom on either
side and kind of flip those numbers around. And so what we end up with we lose a few,
we end up with only 94. So the number of units in the building itself drops from 104 to
94, but the split flips, there'll be 30 -- actually 29 studios and 61 one-bedroom.
And then, in the current restaurant space, there will actually be three two-bedroom suites
and a one-bedroom in those locations. And so we tried to address that particular issue.
And then another question that we dealt with as a group, we pulled out an appraisal on
the property as well as a CoStar report. I don't know if you're familiar with a CoStar, it's
kind of a commercial real estate report of the whole area and revealed some of the things
that we thought we know. And one of those was that for the area, the rent at the amount
that we have shows low and suggest that we might go another 100 or so, higher than that
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number. And that's to compete with, essentially, the market. The interesting thing about
this part of the city is that there really aren't any studio apartments around, for about 15
miles at least, that came up on the report. So if there are a few there are not very many of
them. So this is adding that element to it that is currently at least not a overabundance of
units.
And let me think what else. The intent is that we will leave the footprint the way that it
is. In future years we may look at some parking issues, covered parking or a parking
structure or something else to help alleviate some of the other problems. But those are
future projects. Right now, the intent is the exterior will remain as it is now. We just
went through and had the exterior painted and so you probably wouldn't have noticed that
painting because it was the same colors done again. But it has a new coat of paint and the
roof is in excellent shape. And so there isn't any intent to make any changes to the
footprint. However, becoming an apartment we will be a little concerned about the
exterior appearance. It appears to be rather bland from an aesthetic point of view. And a
significant amount of colored vegetation in front, back, and sides. So obviously, we're
concerned about people driving up, getting a feel for the appearance of the property and
that's going to be a big factor we'll need to continue to maintain. That's all I really had to
talk. I'm certainly open to questions now we're after the citizen input.
GRAY: Commissioners, any questions of the applicant? Go ahead.
DAPAAH: Sir, can you tell us as little bit more about what you plan to do to the interior?
Perhaps the mechanical system, air exchanges for the building, windows, those kind of
things?
BROWN: Okay. Sure. Thank you. For the most part, the way that it's designed
currently, will stay that way. We're not anticipating a change. Those are great R-value
windows on there and so the anticipation is that that would stay. We're not really
anticipating a lot of change to the common area, so the front lobby area would remain
mostly intact. The back lobby, the pool area, the spa, the gym room, equipment room, all
of those common areas, the intent is to leave them the way that they are. On the ground
floor, there are hotel offices that would not be needed in an apartment and so we would
anticipate filling those with also apartment units. Let's see.
Mechanical equipment would stay intact. This is a fairly young building for this kind of
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a conversion and it doesn't make sense to look at any major systems. Because it's
operating as a hotel, it's master metered for electric and water. Hot water comes out of a
boiler system and so makes it extremely difficult to try to do any kind of metering that
would change any of that. And so the anticipation is that we wouldn't. Arizona
Corporation Commission allows for a RUBS system where we're able to equitably
distribute the cost of utilities. And so the anticipation is that we would leave it the way it
is and utilize that RUBS system. Did I hit everything?
DAPAAH: Well, so windows are staying the same?
BROWN: Yes.
DAPAAH: Do they open?
BROWN: No.
DAPAAH: No? They don't open. So no one will have windows that they can open?
BROWN: Correct.
DAPAAH: Okay. What about trash management?
BROWN: Okay. Let me touch on a little bit more with the windows. Because that
means to some extent people are kind of trapped inside for just their daily use. And so
the anticipation is, we have a very large courtyard protected on three sides, especially in
the heat of the summer where you've got quite a bit of shade. And so we're going to
spend a good amount of money there with gazebos and seating areas, outdoor barbecues,
a pet run area, that sort of thing. So we're going to try to enhance that for more utilization
by the residents. And so -- and then what was the second thing?
DAPAAH: Trash management.
BROWN: Trash.
DAPAAH: And then, if you can, please touch a little bit on your current life safety
system and what you're going to do or what you plan to do to enhance that as you're
retrofitting the whole building?
BROWN: So as far as the life systems, my understanding is that this building was built
and designed with those windows being closed all the time and so each four corners of
the building has stairwells that allows ample opportunities to get out of the building. And
so my understanding is that with that design, the fire systems are not required to have
windows that open. Obviously, the entire building has sprinkler systems and alarm
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systems and everything is set. But we did address that with planning and zoning to make
sure that we meet all of the code requirements for those systems.
And twice now, I forgot what the other thing was.
DAPAAH: Trash management.
BROWN: Trash management, thank you. Yes, in this facility the only trash dumpsters
right now are back in the far corner. And so the anticipation is because it's kind of a U-
shape, at the end of the Us there is an opportunity to put a trash can at the bottom there
and from each floor to have a shute to be able to shoot from wherever that residence is to
be able to hit those trash cans. So we will be bringing cans closer to the building with an
enclosure and a shute to be able to catch that trash. But that is on the backside of the
building. And there's talk as well that we'll provide a trash service that if they want to set
their trash out or have a time that we can pick up trash to be able to provide that for them
as well. So it's a matter of what the tenants would want to utilize.
DAPAAH: Okay. So if I may, one more question? Yeah? So you're saying windows
don't open. I've never really stayed there, so I'm not sure what each individual equipment
that handles the indoor cooling and heating -- what do you have? Some heat pumps that
are sitting in each room?
BROWN: Each room either has a split unit and controlled within the unit or a PTAC on
the wall. So exterior view of the building, you see most of them have the PTAC air
conditioning units. But there have been a substantial number of split AC units with the
compressor on the roof and the handler on the inside of the unit. One of the unique
things, the way that we're splitting the rooms up to create the one bedrooms, the unit that
has the wider part of the hallway and the narrower part at the window, the wide part
wouldn't be served by a PTAC. So in every one of those units we've got to do a split unit.
DAPAAH: Okay.
BROWN: So we will be adding some those on the roof area.
DAPAAH: Are they equipped to bring in fresh air?
BROWN: There is fresh air brought into the building in a couple of vent systems
throughout, yes.
DAPAAH: Throughout --
BROWN: Yes.
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DAPAAH: -- the building? How is that set up?
BROWN: And that was a part of the original hotel that in the laundry room -- behind the
laundry rooms on each of the floor -- the two corners, there are blower systems that
ventilate through the building.
DAPAAH: In the laundry rooms?
BROWN: Well, that passes through the laundry room. That's where the handlers are, so
that's where I've seen them.
DAPAAH: Okay. Good. Are the common areas conditioned?
BROWN: The common areas are conditioned separate from the individual units, yes.
DAPAAH: Okay.
BROWN: There is a large -- a couple of large units that handle all of the common areas,
hallways, and lobby areas down below.
DAPAAH: Okay. All right. So I'm asking these because today we're living in an age of
infection prevention, okay. So indoor air quality is a big deal. And if you're looking to
make this a multi-use community -- well not a multi-use community, but multi-housing
community, that's a major concern for the community as well. So this is the reason why I
was asking more about this indoor air quality matter but I'll leave it here.
GRAY: Thank you, Commissioner.
Commissioner Corey?
COREY: Yes. Is it Roy?
BROWN: Yes.
COREY: Okay. Thank you, Roy. So I think one of the things we'll hear tonight is that
this kind of a staple hotel that's been in town for a while and if we --
BROWN: Yes.
COREY: -- are losing the rooms that's going to be a significant impact to the town. So I
see you have -- you're proposing four Airbnb units on the front of the building?
BROWN: Yes.
COREY: So I'm just curious what the thought process was behind four and having all the
others as rental units? And where did that come about and are there any opportunities to
kind of pivot that a little bit? Because I think what we'll hear is having some hotel like
business there is going to be valuable to the town.
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BROWN: Yes. Those really came about in part because of the zoning requirement that
every bedroom has to have a window. And so this about a 6,000 square foot space
that's -- I mean, generally, it's a rectangle. And so that doesn't allow for windows in other
locations. And so that kind of, based on the number of windows ended up the number of
units that we could put in there and still utilize that space. And so that's kind of where
the numbers came from. The unique thing about those particular units is while in the
building itself we might have square footage between 500 and 800 square feet, there
we've got a 1,000, 1,500 kind of square footage. And so I know that when there are craft
fairs and other events held in the park that's right there, my opinion is that those would be
utilized heavily by some of those kind of uses that would come into town. As well, we've
got some doctors that Mayo behind us that might utilize those for the short time frame or
patients or families of patients kind of thing.
So the intent was it didn't really work to take those and try to make those into rental units,
apartment units like the rest of the building. And because it's isolated and it has the
unique opportunity of that view and the space on Saguaro, meaning that there's no
neighbors around there that a few hours on the patio late at night would not disrupt. And
so if there's a place for an Airbnb, that's probably it, rather than in a residential
neighborhood and some of those other issues. But we're not slamming the door on any
other options. But as we looked at many, that really came out as the best use of that
space.
COREY: Okay. And how would those operate? So they're Airbnb so there wouldn't be
any concierge or anything there for them, they book online and just --
BROWN: Correct.
COREY: -- like we would do an Airbnb for a house or something.
BROWN: Although, because of the number of units in the apartments, there will be
fulltime onsite management. And so it won't be a vacant building without anybody
around. And so the thought is that we're not looking to do daily rentals but possibly
three, four, five days at a time, or a week or more. And so a manager onsite would be
able to facilitate that fairly easy.
COREY: Okay. Okay. Thank you.
BROWN: Thank you.
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GRAY: Commissioner Dempster?
DEMPSTER: Thank you. Hello.
BROWN: Hello.
DEMPSTER: I would like to kind of take a step back and why the change from a hotel?
Why the change? Why not keep the hotel and why apartments?
BROWN: You know, when I stepped into this thing I thought holy smokes, this is a gold
mine kind of an opportunity. And it didn't take me very long to go back to the broker and
say why is this a gold mine? Why is this not successful as a hotel? And we had a couple
of conversations about that, that this has had four or five -- I think it's actually had six
change of ownership since original construction. And I don't know anything about any of
the previous owners, but I can tell you that the guy that owns it now owns several
buildings around, in Scottsdale and in other places. And so this is not a novice who
doesn't know what he's doing. He came in here with a lot of knowledge and spent
millions of dollars upgrading the entire building. And yet, it still is in this place where
they haven't been able to consistently overcome that 30 percent annual occupancy. And
that kind of occupancy is death for a business. And so -- I'm sorry. Go ahead.
DEMPSTER: No, well, I'm thinking along the lines -- a couple of things. It's Best
Western partnership.
BROWN: Yes.
DEMPSTER: If I may say, Best Western is known for a more bargain economy kind of
stay. And Fountain Hills is probably maybe a little above the economy bargain hotel. So
people may not be even -- it might not be on peoples' radar because they're not -- they
might be like, oh, Best Western.
BROWN: True.
DEMPSTER: And so I don't know if you can speak to that if a different, like a Hilton
Property or some program with a little better reputation.
BROWN: I've had -- thank you, for that question. Because I've had a couple of
conversations about that. The way that the hotel is built, it doesn't really apply to the
Hilton footprint. The units are relatively small for what would normally be a Hilton. It
would enhance, in my opinion, the summer -- excuse me, the winter occupancy, but the
challenge with this structure, this building, both the restaurant and the hotel, is that this is
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a sleepy community in the summertime. And there are not very many businesses like this
that has this kind of dollars involved that can survive that downtime. It doesn't say
anything about how vibrant it is and what the tone of the town is. It really is that it's
sleepy in the summer and that's definitely death for a restaurant. The current owner made
multiple attempts to occupy the space with the -- the restaurant space with a restaurant
and it never got off the ground. Nobody could -- I don't say nobody, I wasn't there. But
they haven't been able to pencil that in and make it successful for somebody to buy into
it.
I don't pretend to know all of the history and all of the background and all of that, but in
my short conversations kind of asking the same questions that you're wondering about,
that was the answers that I got.
DEMPSTER: Yeah. And again, I don't know who they spoke to either but if you look at
Euro Pizza Cafe and All American Grill, they're very viable businesses year round. And
based on reputation as well, consistent good food, good service. So it's curious.
Can you speak a little bit about, will these units have their own laundry and kitchens? It
looks like you spoke to efficiency kitchens. Can you tell us what the kitchens would be
like?
BROWN: Yes. The current hotel has a little mini bar. The current one-bedrooms have a
wet bar, but the others are just a little mini bar cabinet with a mini refrigerator. Those are
all coming out. That's what the biggest part of our renovation is. They're coming out.
We're putting a full-size kitchen sink with a hotplate stovetop and a convection oven
microwave and a full-size refrigerator, and then a full wall of cabinets to match that. And
so it is not a mini kitchen at all, it's a full-size for this -- comparable for the size of the
unit.
DEMPSTER: And will they each --
BROWN: And the other thing was laundry --
DEMPSTER: Laundry.
BROWN: -- you'd asked. Each of the one-bedroom units have stackable washer/dryers
in them. And for the 29 units that are left without a washer/dryer in the unit, the end of
the buildings, I mentioned the trash area. That trash area would be attached to the
laundry room. So there'll be five laundry rooms in the building itself.
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DEMPSTER: Thank you.
GRAY: Commissioner Watts?
WATTS: Thank you. I haven't gotten an answer yet on the -- what are the size of the
units? Studios and one-bedrooms?
BROWN: The size of the units, the original -- the studios that are left, start out at about
375 square feet. Where we've combined those with bedrooms to make those expanded,
the numbers go up to about 700. So between 375 and 700 square feet.
WATTS: For a studio?
BROWN: The studio? I'm sorry. The studio --
WATTS: Studio's only, one-bedrooms only.
BROWN: Yeah, you're right. I lumped them all together. The studios themselves are
going to be somewhere between 375 and 500.
WATTS: And the one-bedrooms?
BROWN: And the one-bedrooms are about 500 to 750.
WATTS: And I didn't hear anything about a dishwasher.
BROWN: Most of the units will not have dishwashers. There will only be half a dozen
units in there that have a dishwasher.
WATTS: Okay. And to Commissioner Dapaah's comments about the central plan. You
have individual units except for, I assume, the water system, the heating water systems?
BROWN: No. the water system is on a boiler system. So the entire building is
connected to a boiler system --
WATTS: That's what I mean. It's a central operation. So if it fails, everybody loses their
hot water.
BROWN: Yep.
WATTS: Okay.
BROWN: Yep, that's true. Yeah.
WATTS: And this was probably thrown about, have you looked at the outside air
requirements? Because it's becoming more and more stringent based upon EPA's
requirements and how we're going to accommodate that. So I assume that's going to be
taken care of when building plans are submitted; that fair? Okay. Thank you.
BROWN: The other question that you had asked earlier, and I don't know that I
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addressed that had to do with had to do with a decrease in tax revenue.
KWATTS: Um-hum.
BROWN: Currently, my understanding is with a hotel unit the tax revenue is about 14.1
percent and that half of that goes to Maricopa County and half of it stays in Fountain
Hills. And so you've got about a seven percent tax rate. However, with an annual
occupancy around 30 percent, the real dollars realized ends up being closer to like a 2
percent. But as a full apartment, the apartment would pay a 1.6 percent revenue tax or
rent tax. And so 1.6 of a full building is really close to the 2 percent of a mostly vacant
building. And so I think, when I did the analysis to be able to compare those two, the
difference in funding was -- or the difference in fund to the town was nominal. And so
I'm sure that you have better information from the town about what those actual revenues
were. But it doesn't appear -- it certainly is not a six to one comparison as the numbers
would imply.
WATTS: Well, are numbers are slightly different. So I'll give you that.
BROWN: Yeah.
WATTS: The net effect though is that we will lose some percentage of revenue from a
tax base. So that's in a nutshell. Whether it's minimal, nominal, or a lot is to be seen.
BROWN: Yeah. The other side of that though, is now you've got the other 70 percent of
the vacant building are now people who live in the neighborhood and will be spending
their money here instead of taking their employment check and leaving the area. So
probably offset by that to some extent. Those numbers are beyond me but it certainly
ends up being a benefit.
WATTS: Thank you.
BROWN: All right.
GRAY: Vice Chair?
SCHLOSSBERG: I want to get back to the price point again. And you -- either I
misheard or you alluded to the fact that you said based on the area, you could get more.
What is the price point for the studio and what is the price point for the one-bedroom?
BROWN: Well, they will change. As you know right now, the rental market is certainly
in a state of flux. When we put the projections together, they started on a base for the
studio units at 1,295. And for the one-bedroom units at 1,495. And those were adjusted
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up based on actual square footage. It's a rectangle building and you probably imagine
that all units are the same size, but there are actually 15 different floor footprints in that
building. And so there will be an increase based on the size and also an increase based
on the visibility, the view.
SCHLOSSBERG: Okay. So assuming this does come to fruition, the base price for a
studio, the smallest one, is 1,295?
BROWN: Yes, sir.
SCHLOSSBERG: And then the base price for a one-bedroom is 1,495?
BROWN: Yes, sir.
SCHLOSSBERG: But that could be adjusted based on additional square footage up to?
BROWN: Right now, the projection is the max for the one-bedroom is 1,700. And the
CoStar suggests that that really is low. It should be closer to 1,850. And so we're not
inclined to make that kind of a jump. If we get too full too fast, which is a really good
problem to have. But if it does, we'll slow that down a little bit with a rent rate.
SCHLOSSBERG: Okay. And that means a studio would go to basically 1,500 then,
base?
BROWN: Well, whatever the market would take it to, yes.
SCHLOSSBERG: Okay. Thank you.
GRAY: So I think the point you're trying to make, Commissioner Watts, as well, is that
in our packet there's a pretense in here saying that a $40,000 income is supported or can
support occupancy here. And the pretense that this development would support that class
of compensation package doesn't work because we're looking at a $56,000 annual or
better to afford and efficiency, so.
SCHLOSSBERG: Right.
GRAY: Yeah, I think that that's the point trying to be made here, so. Commissioners,
any other questions of the applicant or John? No?
Thank you.
BROWN: All right. Thank you.
GRAY: And we'll give you an opportunity to come back up, Mr. Brown.
BROWN: All right.
GRAY: Paula, do we have any speaker cards?
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WOODWARD: Yes, Chairman. There are three speakers, and then there were six
written against the project. So we'll start with the three that want to speak. In order:
Crystal Cavanaugh, Larry Meyers, and Amy Bennett (ph.).
CAVANAUGH: Good evening. I just have some thoughts, not a whole long thing
tonight. I'm trying to understand the sequence. That the owner purchased it as a hotel,
but yet the next statement was they were almost surprised to see so many studio units.
And that -- did they purchase it sight unseen? And at what point in time did they decide
they better change courses because it was going to be very lucrative? And I don't even
know the name of this hotel, for example. It's changed so much over the recent years. If
I don't know the name of it, out of town people don't know the name of it.
But if it was a name brand, they might be able to actually fill the hotel. And part of John
Wesley's presentation, pointblank said the hotel provides a place for visitors for
downtown events and tourism. And I'm thinking this is a very -- this doesn't seem like a
good direction to go when we're also talking about bringing in a Dark Sky Discovery
Center. If that comes to fruition, where are these people, from all over the world, going
to stay? And obviously, we're a tourist town and we have a lot of events. And while
whoever has purchased this may not be marketing it right, I think it could still be filled as
a hotel if done correctly.
And studios and one-bedrooms, they're very small ones. They're not really that
affordable when you look at other things right in the downtown area. They're right about
the same price. And in reality, there's no right to affordable housing in downtown
Fountain Hills. With a premium lot, a premium view, that's going to be bring a premium
price. And so I also was kind of surprised in the presentation from our town staff, that
there was no need to consult the neighbors. I mean, this is going to be not the same as a
hotel. It's increased traffic. When I go as a couple to stay in that tiny room, we're
bringing one car to a hotel. If there's two people living in that small apartment, for sure
you're going to have two cars. You can't get anywhere out of Fountain Hills without
another car.
So I don't see this as being a reasonable change in zoning. And I just feel like they didn't
do their due diligence and now they want someone to help them get out of it. Thanks.
MEYERS: Chair, Commissioners, so I want to talk a little bit about being shortsighted
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and being farsighted. So I've been around long enough to see the long view. You're
sitting in the long view. 1985 we started thinking about his place and the place next door
and it didn't happen overnight. And we sure as shit didn't get rid of the land or you
wouldn't have the building here. And that's what we've been doing to this vibrant
downtown. We keep taking land that was proposed for one use and changing it into
apartments. Barchay (ph.) has got a whole boatload of apartments and he's going to have
even more apartments and that was an entertainment overlay district. Well, the excuse
then was, well, we can't really fund the entertainment overlay and we can't have a movie
theatre, and we can't have bars, and we can't have music, and we can't have this, and we
can't have that; so let's build apartments.
So along comes another developer in a long line of developers that I've seen since I've
lived here since 1981, who makes an investment and then goes, oh, might not be the most
profitable investment I've ever made. Let me come to the town and get bailed out. I'll
change it from this to that, and then I can make some more money. Now, I don't know
what we're going to do with more apartments in downtown Fountain Hills. But I can tell
you one thing. You got a Chamber of Commerce, this city, and economic development
director all trying to bring more events to Fountain Hills: car shows, art festivals, art
walks, farmer's markets. They're trying to draw people here for events. Dark Sky
planetariums. And now we're going to get rid of the one place, across from the one icon
in the middle of town that houses people as a hotel, for the same of some 500 square foot
apartments. I'm sorry. It's not a very long view. It's a short view.
It's a short view for a guy who made an investment and he made the wrong investment,
apparently, because the hotel's only 30 percent of the year. Well, I got news for you,
Fountain Hills has been this way for as long as I've been here. The summer is dead. And
guess what? Because the summer's dead, young people don't come here to live. So those
studio apartments they're not going to be your workers from downtown. They're going to
be the same people that travel on Shea Boulevard that can't afford to live in Scottsdale,
that live in Mesa. And they go back and forth every day and that's -- you're just going to
have the regular, old, same old apartment dwellers in just another apartment building
downtown and you will lose the hotel which is designed to support the people that come
to the car shows and the planetarium and the art festivals, and whatever else they're trying
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to dream up. And I'm all for dreaming all of the events up. So I say keep the hotel.
They're already operating as a rental unit because it's on Zillow. And that bothers me too.
They should ask first and do second. Thank you.
BENNETT: Good evening. I am one of the residents in the residential neighborhood
next to the hotel that is going to be very disturbed by the parties at the Airbnb patio. And
I think I speak for a couple of hundred other people in that area, because we can already
hear Euro Pizza and that's fine. But having part-time partiers coming through, raising the
roof, that's going to bother us.
Fountain Hills -- I was concerned before I heard the presentation, but what I heard was a
developer looking for, and I quote, a gold mine. Who doesn't understand the history of
the hotel. He bought the hotel. And he doesn't appear to understand the history or the
culture or the fabric of this town. It is a sleepy community. We don't want Airbnb
parties going until midnight. That's not what we're looking for in our downtown.
The comment about parking was beautiful. When people travel, they take one car. And
it's here for part of the day and then it's gone. But when you have people living in a
place, every adult pretty much has a car. So you're looking at between 94 and 188 cars
fulltime, with people who are really not owners. So they're going to be voting down the
school bonds. They're going to be voting down the road bonds. And they're going to be
putting incredible wear and tear on our roads. And they're going to be using our schools.
I do think we need a hotel. We have lots of retirees here, in smaller accommodations.
They bring their families in, they put them in the hotel. It's a nice place to have your
family. And that is a beautiful property, and I don't know the name of it either. Just
Google, Fountain Hills hotel. It's not that hard. It seems that if you had bought a hotel
you would have had a plan.
We have a dramatic increase in apartments in Fountain Hills. We've got the Heavenly
went in, we've got apartments in El Lago, on Gunsight. It seems like there is a real push
to have apartments and that's bringing property values down. It's bringing town revenues
down. And I also ask you to look at who's going to be living in them. Because if
somebody is paying 1,200, 2,400 a month, that's a mortgage. So why not have them
invest as residents and permanent -- people invested in the town? Instead of having
temporary folks come through who are just one their way to someplace else. Thank you.
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GRAY: Paula, any more speaker cards?
WOODWARD: No, Chairman.
GRAY: Thank you. Paula. All right. Let's go ahead and close the public hearing
portion of the agenda item. I will bring John back up for any final questions.
Commissioners? Commissioner Dempster?
DEMPSTER: Thank you. Hi John. How many parking spaces are currently attached to
the property? Do we know?
WESLEY: So let me -- that showed up in the -- let me grab my --
DEMPSTER: I didn't see -- is it on here?
WESLEY: The -- what I recall from that review is that there are exist -- well, there are
existing 157. The table here says they need 161. I think it was more like 162 or 3 spaces
that they would need. So they are, as I recall, five or six short. And they would fit -- let's
see if this -- is that on? No, I guess not. In the back corner of the existing hotel unit or
hotel. On the western wing there is an area there, just west of that loading space where
the spaces could go.
DEMPSTER: So 157, so that's roughly one -- say one spot for the studios and like one
and a half for the one-bedrooms.
WESLEY: So yes. Commissioner Dempster, the requirement is 1.75 per studio and per
one-bedroom.
DEMPSTER: Okay. I'm curious if the hotel was a member of the Chamber of
Commerce, do you know?
WESLEY: No.
DEMPSTER: Okay. Thank you.
GRAY: Vice Chair.
SCHLOSSBERG: We may need Roy back up here for this. I want to go back to the
occupancy and the percent -- I know there was a 30 percent annual thrown out there but I
want to find. Does anybody have statistics, seasonal statistics, historical statistics, other
than just 30 percent? I'm trying to find out -- during season, in other words, January and
February and March, is occupancy 60 percent, is it 50 percent, is it 30 percent then as
well?
WESLEY: Can't really answer that.
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SCHLOSSBERG: Well, nobody knows? I guess nobody knows. Okay. I don't get an
answer. Thank you.
GRAY: Okay. Commissioner Watts?
WATTS: I think I had the same question. Is the 30 percent, doesn't make a lot of sense.
If most times when you look at a financial analysis of a property, you're going to have
some sort of a cashflow on a graph, a wave, something. So you're going to know,
fundamentally, is the property as a hotel financially viable, and is this just an alternate
or -- and you don't have to answer the question because I probably don't have any right to
know. Is it just another way to make more money?
BROWN: (indiscernible).
WATTS: You can --
BROWN: I think I can be heard if I say that from here?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No, go up.
BROWN: Well, contrary to what's been expressed so far, I haven't actually closed
escrow and don't own the building. So if it really wasn't making any sense or wouldn't
work the way that it is, you know, I have the opportunity to bow out of it still. However,
I went in -- I did not go into it and get into a problem and then attempt to fix that. What
was listed for sale was the third floor, with the intent that the first two floors would
remain as a hotel. I have enough experience with property management to say, oh, my
goodness what a nightmare that would be. And so when I put it in escrow, I put the
entire building in escrow with the plan that when the -- the entire building would need to
be converted in order for it to make it viable. And so I hesitate to even kind of hint
towards the question from Scott, but this last year we had Superbowl, we had Phoenix
open. We had Barrett Jackson, we had all of these activities going on, not to mention all
of the activities in the town itself, and the third floor was not a part of it. So if you can
kind of take general numbers that the third floor is kind of never really been filled to
capacity during the seasons. So that's what prompted the overall. And I apologize, I
don't know the hotel numbers because from day one, I never intended to buy a hotel or to
operate a hotel. It has always been my plan that the building would be converted or it
doesn't make sense.
WATTS: Well, hopefully, at a minimum, we've at least piqued some questions for you to
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ask.
BROWN: Well, I actually have a whole lot more answers than -- that have been here and
I can assure you that in the ten months that I've been working on this I have hundreds of
spreadsheets of information, looking at different scenarios and different options. And I'm
extremely solid in the viability of this product and this location. And there are future
options to be able to help with a couple of the other problems, like parking, which is a big
problem. But the overall thing to remember is if there was a Hilton or someone else who
was running this hotel, then you wouldn't have the 30 percent occupancy. You'd have the
90 or 100 percent occupancy, and all of the parking problems would be there and all of
the traffic problems would be there, exactly the same as what you're afraid of as an
apartment building.
However, when somebody goes online and rents a unit, rents a hotel, you really have no
control on who shows up. With an apartment building you have an application process,
you have background checks, and things that you go through. The clientele of an
apartment building is going to be way more stable than what you're going to get when
anybody can walk in and rent a -- or not even walk in. They do it online and show up.
So I've noticed in the time that I've been here, roving gangs of motorcycles in the back.
Now, I don't mean -- that was probably an overstatement. The roving gangs now have
grey hair like I do. So they're not dangerous gangs. But I mean there's a lot of motor --
that's a great place to come and to go for a ride. The times that I've been here, lots of
home, motorhomes and all to -- I mean, so that kind of element is in there. We don't --
you don't have control on that when you have a hotel. But when you have an apartment,
you do.
So I think overall, for the town, this will be an upgrade for some of these kind of
problems that are here. Or the potential could be here. And of course, I don't know. If
you're aware of what's happening right now in the country's economy, there are quite a
few hotels, exactly like this, that are nonperforming, that are being filled with immigrants
that you have no control over and that becomes a really big problem. So having a
failing -- a building like this right in your town center puts you in a very -- in my opinion,
a very vulnerable position that having a thriving, successful business would eliminate.
So I don't know, I think all in all, I'm not an outside investor. I might not live in Fountain
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Hills itself, but like I said, I'm a native. This is my home and so I'm not just out here
trying to flip it and make a buck. This is a really good product that I think the town needs
as well.
GRAY: Thanks. John can I ask you -- I recall the Park Place, I don't remember which
phase that is, but the phase that's to the -- well, that's adjacent there to the -- I guess, that's
north, northwest. I remember that development kind of having a poll through component.
Was there engagement between that phase of the Park Place development and this
adjacent property? Or am I misremembering that?
WESLEY: I think you're misremembering.
GRAY: Didn't we have a poll through?
SCHLOSSBERG: We talked about it but it never happened.
WESLEY: Right. The early phases, early concepts had -- we discussed the potential of
connecting the parking lots but that was never pursued. It didn't happen.
GRAY: Is that a conversation to be reopened?
WESLEY: Not at this point. The way it's been designed for the underground parking at
that phase, the access happens, kind of, to the northwest corner of this site and there
really would be no way to come back and tie it together.
GRAY: I thought the council liked talking about Park Place. No? Too soon?
All right. Commissioners, any other thoughts, comments. Commissioner Dempster,
sorry.
DEMPSTER: Yes. Just a couple of comments. With rentals, it's my understanding
there's a lot more rules with fair housing. So just want to throw that out there. And also,
I did a little research too. Yes, Fountain Hills is a sleepy town in the summer but the
Comfort Inn and the Inn at Eagle Mountain are already sold out and full for the 2024
season. So I think that there is a need for -- because of our events and the future of the
Dark Sky, and you even mentioned Mayo yourself. I know, being in the business we
have an awful lot of patients that come here temporarily. So I do think this could be a
viable hotel. And I think it is needed in our downtown area. Those are just my thoughts.
GRAY: Commissioners, any other final thoughts? Commissioner Dapaah?
Commissioner Corey?
COREY: Just some comments to kind of echo what Commissioner Dempster was
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saying. I also don't know the name of the hotel. And I don't want to get into the
operations of the hotel but I know I've been to that restaurant in the front of the hotel
many times in the last seven years that I've been here. There were community events
there. It's a great place to get different organizations together. I think there's a part of
this that raising awareness with the community, getting the community involved to know
what the hotel is, hosting events there, getting involved in the running of the community,
and that could help bring awareness to it. I would prefer to see that there's some
marketing and changes done to help; to see how we can make this feasible, before
making a drastic change like this. So yeah.
GRAY: Vice Chair, anything? Just ahead of any motion here, I also concur with
Commissioner Dempster and Commissioner Corey. I think it's too soon to write off this
property and convert it. I think the merits of the conversion are there. I appreciate the
diligence that the applicant has put in and I appreciate the vision that that he has for the
property. I just think with what's planned up at Centennial Plaza, with the Park Place
development that we belabored through this venue and the Council as well for many,
many sessions, I think it's too soon. Too soon, too early. Maybe in the future we'd
reconsider this. But I'm going to be a vote to deny here this evening.
So Commissioners, would anyone like to make a recommendation? Commissioner
Dempster?
DEMPSTER: Sure. I move to deny the approval of case SUP23-00004, allowing up to
94 dwelling units.
COREY: Second.
GRAY: Okay. Commissioner Dempster has made a motion to recommend denial to the
town council. Commissioner Corey, that was a second?
COREY: Second.
GRAY: Thank you. Paula, could we do a rollcall vote, please?
WOODWARD: Commissioner Corey?
COREY: Aye.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Dapaah?
DAPAAH: Aye.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Dempster?
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DEMPSTER: Aye.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Watts?
WATTS: Aye.
WOODWARD: Vice Chairman Schlossberg?
SCHLOSSBERG: Nay.
WOODWARD: Chairman Gray?
GRAY: Aye.
WOODWARD: Five, one.
GRAY: Thank you, Paula.
Okay. In our reorder here, Farhad's up. We're going to move up the agenda to agenda
item number 6. Public hearing and consideration on the special use permit 23-0 -- a lot of
zeroes and a two at the end. Farhad, let's give the room just a minute to clear. Farhad,
your presentation, please.
TAVASSOLI: Very good. All right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the
commission. I'm going to speak as closely as I can into this microphone. So as you said
Mr. Chairman, this is a special use permit request before you for a 16-bed home for the
aged. The site is at the northeast corner of Westby and Palisades Boulevard just north of
here. The -- sorry, as you can see here outlined in red, it's a little over a third of an acre.
Now, it is important to note that currently this home, which is about 4,500 square feet is
currently operating as an assisted living facility for the elderly, with a total of ten beds.
Now granted that certain distance requirements are met, and more specifically distance
requirements between other assisted living facilities that exceed no more than ten beds,
this is a use that's currently allowed by right. It has been licensed as a ten-bed assisted
living facility since 2005, as our records indicate. And so once we go above ten beds,
that's when it becomes more commercial in character. Thus it comes before you today as
a proposed 16-bed facility, in the case which a special use permit would be required.
A little bit about the zoning. The property itself is zoned R-3, which is one of the several
multi-family designations. As are the properties to the north and east, and to the west as
well, across the street from Westby. To the south you have the Heavenly development
that's, for the most part, complete as well as the Bash Center and the CVS facility -- CVS
store rather, here, catty corner to the site.
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And again, as I mentioned, this is a special use permit for a home for the aged. The
applicant is requesting six additional beds for a total of 16 altogether. I may have said
earlier it's about 4,500 square feet. It's actually a little bit less than that. And currently
there are two to three live-in caregivers at the facility given -- depending on the level of
service that is needed. With a special use permit for the 16-bed total there would be a
total of three to four live-in caregivers to accommodate the patients.
GRAY: Farhad --
TAVASSOLI: Yes.
GRAY: Just so we don't have to come back. Is 16 total occupancy inclusive of the
caregivers or is it 16 plus the three to four?
TAVASSOLI: This is only for the beds for the patients, the elderly.
GRAY: Okay.
TAVASSOLI: Yeah. Am I correct in saying that? Yes. And so again, the state
oversight here requires that these beds be licensed. And one of the prerequisites for
licensure for the 16 beds is that the applicant receive approval from the governing
jurisdiction. This is a closer look at the subject property. Now, I should state that the
applicant is not requesting any additions. So the building footprint will not be expanded
upon. There are about -- if I remember my count correctly, about seven bedrooms
currently in the facility. Eight? I beg your pardon, eight bedrooms aside from a kitchen,
a great room, and living room.
The only change that would be required is accommodation for the additional parking that
would be required for the live-in caregivers. And so you take a look at the property, right
now there is a driveway leading into the site, with a rather small area for parking. This
driveway, just by way of reference, I measured to be approximately about 17 feet wide.
And so you see a rather large concrete pad for the cars that would be parking there,
particularly for the live-in caregivers. If you look at the slide that will follow, the
applicant has provided a drawing in which they will be providing some additional
parking spaces for the live-in caregivers. And incidentally, the required parking for
nursing home, convalescent home, home for the aged as in this case, if you look at the
parking section of the zoning ordinance, the requirement is one space per four beds. So
with 16 beds, this meets the parking requirement; at least, for the onsite requirement.
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Westby Drive, incidentally, parking is allowed on Westby Drive. There are no no
parking signs currently, at least in this stretch of Westby Drive.
What I should mention before going to these review standards, the applicant did conduct
a virtual meeting, I believe the date was March 7th, for the citizen participation
requirement required of the applicant, in which there was one member as you see in the
citizen participation report. There was one member that attended that meeting.
Apparently that member was concerned about any kind of building footprint expansion
and the applicant clarified that there will not be.
However, there were about three emails, exactly three emails, actually, that staff received
or either was copied on and each expressing opposition to the request. Some of the --
well, primary concerns were parking and traffic and drop-off and things like that.
And since this was in participation component the staff also received two additional
emails. I believe those two were from the same folks that were included in your staff
reports as well.
So section 2 establishes standards for review and some of the things that the Commission
can consider are -- or should consider is the nature of the use, any special conditions; in
this case there should be -- one should be attentive to visitation hours. I'm told that the
applicant has said to me, just briefly before the meeting that visitation takes place any
time before 8 and 6 -- 8 in the morning to 6 p.m. daily. And then traffic impacts and
influence on adjacent uses. And as John said with his presentation, really, the question is
does the special use request, is it a detriment to the health and safety and general welfare
of the public.
Now, it's staff's recommendation that the use is compatible with the adjacent land uses.
It's consistent with the 2020 general plan in terms of the neighborhood character in this
case, which is urban residential. The parking area as you saw will be expanded. That is
really the only modification that will be made to the exterior of this site. If the special
use permit plan is approved the applicant does plan to make some modifications to the
interior but that would be a tenant improvement. And also there are -- there's no, as I
mentioned, no building expansion proposed in this case.
So with that I'll conclude my presentation and open up to discussion points or questions
you might have.
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GRAY: Commissioners?
COREY: I do just have one question for clarification. I'm trying to do the math on the
parking and our ordinance of -- what did you say it was? One park per four beds?
TAVASSOLI: Correct.
COREY: So we have 16 beds for -- 16 residents. But there are caregivers that are onsite
as well.
TAVASSOLI: Correct.
COREY: So aren't there more than 16 beds? That's what I'm trying to understand.
There's 16 for the residents and are there three more for caregivers? Or is it 16 in total?
TAVASSOLI: If I understand you correctly, all the --
COREY: Maybe I'm just not understanding that part.
GRAY: Yeah, our table doesn't account for it that way.
COREY: Okay.
DEMPSTER: The parking is just for the caregivers.
TAVASSOLI: Oh, Mr. Chairman, Commissioners --
DEMPSTER: Correct?
TAVASSOLI: -- the parking standards don't clarify whether or not the parking -- who
the parking is intended for. It is assumed that the patients won't be --
COREY: Driving?
TAVASSOLI: -- driving vehicles. At least not on a daily basis. But it is a good
assumption that it is intended for the live-in caregivers.
COREY: Okay.
GRAY: Thank you. Commissioner Watts?
WATTS: Farhad, do you -- when we pull up the building permit for remodel, are the
plans to update anything to make it current with normal code requirements? So
everything has to come up to code for the remodel?
TAVASSOLI: Yeah, that's correct.
WATTS: So in this case, I don't see any documentation that was supplied or provided by
the applicant that would be consistent with the requirements for a community home,
community assisted living. And there was a plethora of -- in Section E, I think it's E-13,
there's a list of requirements are necessary, including financial. Is there a financial
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hardship? Is there a reason why there needs to be inclusion? So that's one, you may or
may not be able to answer.
Two, it looks to me, based upon the plan that the building already encroaches into the
setback areas. In footnote 104, and there's a lot of encroachment. Is there a percentage of
coverage in the building envelope that is allowable? And it looks like this building has
already exceeded that pretty significantly.
TAVASSOLI: Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Watts, the lot coverage percentage limit for
an R-3 property is 50 percent. So that's about a -- a little over a third of an acre, so it
would be --
WATTS: So you're --
TAVASSOLI: I believe it --
WATTS: I think you're pretty close.
TAVASSOLI: Yeah.
WATTS: But you're already encroaching into the setbacks.
TAVASSOLI: It is encroaching in the setbacks. It is a nonconforming building and my
last check it has been there since the early 2000s.
WATTS: Right.
TAVASSOLI: I don't know for what reason it was approved --
WATTS: And --
TAVASSOLI: -- under what conditions, I'm not sure.
WATTS: To Commissioner Corey's question about, does it include the caretakers? If
you have one parking space for every four residents regardless of their capacity to drive
or not, you need additional parking spaces for caregivers and that's going to be on the
street, isn't it? You have no choice really.
TAVASSOLI: Right. The applicant is --
WATTS: You're stuck?
TAVASSOLI: -- likely as much -- yes.
WATTS: Okay.
TAVASSOLI: -- it's possible here.
WATTS: Because I think you're going to end up with, if you have two to three and right
now if you have two for ten people and you use that equation and then if you add six
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more you're probably going to have probably a 60 percent increase and maybe even a
three -- you're going to end up with five caretakers, maybe even six caretakers. And then
you go back to quality of life. If you skimp on the caretakers, it's something that I know
doesn't come into the building department necessarily, but it's something that I would
definitely take into consideration as far as quality of life and the caregivers' ability to
provide that quality of care for the residents. So thank you.
TAVASSOLI: Yeah. Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Watts, if I just -- I believe the state
and perhaps the applicant could be more specific, but I think the state would have a
minimum number of caretakers required for number of -- depending on the number of
beds or number of patients. Whether that's actually --
WATTS: I hate to defer to the minimum number.
TAVASSOLI: Right.
WATTS: You know, again, it goes back to the quality of care. The minimum number
for what the residents and fortunately or otherwise, I've got first-hand experience with
caregivers and there's a premium price that goes along with that quality of care.
GRAY: Vice Chair?
SCHLOSSBERG: Quick question on the footprint. So I'm looking at the footprint up
there and I'm looking at -- also looking at the aerial, and the 4,259 -- is this all on one
level or is there a basement or -- it's all one level?
TAVASSOLI: It is all one level, correct.
GRAY: They converted the garage.
TAVASSOLI: The garage has been converted.
SCHLOSSBERG: Okay.
TAVASSOLI: Yes. There is a rolling door that you can see on the facade, but it has
been converted to one of the bedrooms.
SCHLOSSBERG: The garage? Okay. Thank you, sir.
GRAY: Farhad does fire marshal weigh in on this scenario on occupancy? And we're
down to circa 200 square feet per bed. Might put everything in hospital ratios, so 140,
150 square feet per patient room, plus all the staff support and adjacencies for supplies
and so on and so forth; this is tight by my programing. So what's the fire marshal think?
TAVASSOLI: Mr. Chairman, Commissioners the fire marshal is involved in the
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review -- the administrative review process early on and he has actually signed off on the
proposal without any comments.
GRAY: Okay. And then I also have the same general question as Commissioner -- I
think Commissioner Watts asked. Since the adoption of our community residence
guidelines, this would have -- and correct me if I'm wrong here, but this would have been
considered a nonconforming use upon adoption. Now, going forward, does this
application not need to conform to all of those criteria?
TAVASSOLI: John's coming here to say a few words.
WESLEY: Chairman, with this application, with the special use permit, they're moving
from being a community residence to an institutional use. So no, those regulations don't
apply to this with the special use permit. So it has been a group home where our
community residents, under its current configuration, that's what they've been licensed as
at the ten units. But by going higher than that, they're no longer in that category. They're
moving to a different category in the zoning ordinance and that's why they're here
requesting a special use permit.
GRAY: But doesn't that take you into an high-occupancy category?
WESLEY: That's a building permit question you'd have to ask the building official.
WATTS: Commissioner Gray, wouldn't it just be common sense that if we're ask it for
10, we're going to ask it 16, it's the exact same thing.
GRAY: It's exponentially more worthy of asking, this time.
WESLEY: So this --
WATTS: I agree.
WESLEY: -- moves in into a similar category to a Morning Star or a Fountain Dew
Village, that type of operation which isn't a residential facility at all. It's now a
commercial facility that needs a special use permit in the zoning district.
GRAY: And it's not our lens to ask the engineering questions presumably? In that, I
mean, simply put this is a residence converted and now becomes, I'll say it's a I-
occupancy, because that's what it is. So plumbing design was designed as single-family
et cetera.
WESLEY: When they request their building permit to upgrade the facility to rearrange
it, that all had to be all part of those reviews before they could get a permit issued.
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GRAY: And do we know that -- you read through the packet on this one and it's all kind
of geared towards the impact on the adjacent community. Which this is a zoning hearing,
so I understand that certainly. But Commissioner Watts -- or sorry, maybe it was
Commissioner Corey, raised kind of that quality of care component. And I just think
back to when we went through the whole community residence deliberations and we
really did try and weave as much of that quality of care piece in as we possibly could.
Down at 200 square feet per resident. I guess, I have questions on is the overnight staff?
What's that split between square footage that's designated towards the patient population
versus the support population and then on the site circulation, we start to get into
institutional, we're talking about refuse collection, we're talking about logistics of
deliveries and so on and so forth. I just don't see how this site supports -- I don't see how
it supports 10, let alone 16. So --
WESLEY: Good questions for the applicant.
GRAY: Okay. Any other Commissioners? Farhad, does the applicant have any
prepared presentation or --
TAVASSOLI: I'm not sure if he has a presentation but I'm sure he would like to come
up.
ISTRATE: Good evening, Chairman, Commissioners. My name is Daniel Istrate and
I'm the applicant and the architect of the project. A couple of things that I wanted to
answer some of the questions you guys brought up as far as the requirement. The first
question is all of the assisted living facilities in the City of Fountain Hills we're governed
by the IRC, which is international residential code. International residential code
specifically states, and the number of 16 was not at random. Up to 16 it falls under
residential. That is a -- that is throughout all jurisdiction, all states. And the building
code clearly states up to 16 it's residential. 17 and more it becomes I. That's what
distinction is, that's what makes it residential up to 16, above that it becomes I, which is a
full commercial hospital, what have you.
So up to 16 is considered residential. It is not a commercial building. Building code
does not -- so once -- if we were to get approved it goes to the building department. It
does not need to -- it's not a commercial building. You do not need to do anything on as
far as being a commercial component. Anything above that -- so now ends up happening
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is each local jurisdiction, just like Fountain Hills, they set the limit of number for beds
and Fountain Hills has it to ten. And that's just -- it was decided by council whenever
that was done, God knows how many years ago. But 16 is what IRC states. So that's
universal. So for example, I happen to know in the State of Texas every jurisdiction in
the State of Texas, 16 is what they allow and then above that is institution.
Here in Arizona, for whatever reason it's ten, although City of Phoenix has moved away
from that and they've approved in the past year at least 20 of them that went up to 16.
And I guess one thing for the Commissioners to understand is, the operator and the
owner, wouldn't be sitting here asking for the increase if there wouldn't be a need.
There's a constant waiting list for people to go and to be placed in here. If people from
the community that have lived here very, very long time, once they reach a point where
they're no longer able to live by themselves, they want to presumably still live in this area
and not have to be taken to Scottsdale or further, Phoenix, and further west, where there's
a greater density. So Fountain Hills has more limited numbers. So that's just to clarify
on the -- as far as the requirements. It is -- falls under residential.
There's no upgrades that needs to be done to the building whatsoever. Plumbing-wise,
HVAC, everything else can stay as is. The building is not changing. The fact that it's
already at ten residents already has fire sprinkler, which you asked a question earlier
about as far as the fire department and the fire marshal. Their requirements is as far as
the building has to be fully sprinkled and the fire alarm monitoring. That is the
requirements for the fire department. All the existing assisted living home in the State of
Arizona are governed by AZDHS, the Department of Health Services. They have
minimum guidelines. Going back to your question as far as minimum area requirements.
AZDHS has a requirement of minimum of 80 square foot per resident or of 120 per two
residents. So if you are to build a new building, you can make -- you can designate 80
square feet per resident or 120 for two residents. That's not what we're proposing, just to
answer because you're wondering what the square footage comes to.
Going back to parking, which was another question that was brought up. The parking is
mainly for staff and for visitors. The residents do not drive for obvious reasons. They're
in place, they're in here because they need help and also for liability. As the operator you
would not want to let them drive. They're supposed -- they're on medication, they're not
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to be driving. So it's for mainly for the staff. And then, visitation hours they usually call
ahead. They don't just drop, especially we're coming out of a pandemic. Actually
visitations were pretty much halted that time, but even as they're reopening, you have to
call ahead to visit. You don't just show up. And then they have the occasional deliveries
for medical supplies. A doctor or a nurse might stop by too.
I'm going to try to see if I can figure out how to work this backwards. Because I want --
it's not my slide, it was in here. There was an aerial -
TAVASSOLI: Let's see if I can pull it up for you.
ISTRATE: Okay. There was an aerial that was taken, you know Maricopa County does
their yearly flybys. I'm not sure which year this was taken and you can see there's one car
on the driveway. So when I looked at it -- when I went to Maricopa County, I think, right
now, they allow us to go back to maybe 2014, '15. Even if you guys have access to your
monitor, I'm not sure. I looked, I don't know, they take them at random days. Nobody
controls that. Every picture they've ever taken, in '15, in '16, in '17, in '18, '19, all the
way to '23, at no point was more than one car on the driveway. So there was not -- we
don't control -- we didn't take those pictures, they're taken by County. Obviously, at
random time but that's a pretty good indicator that at no point, since any -- they've been in
operation since 2005. So at least since 2015, there's never been more than one car on the
driveway. Most caregivers, they're -- they either don't have a car or they will share a car.
So I don't -- the argument of increased traffic of up to 60 percent, there isn't really any
traffic. If you actually ever go and visit one of the residents are -- they're not driving.
And then the caregivers are there on permanent basis. They have to be on premises.
They don't come and go. The most traffic will be a family member decided to stop by, a
nurse or doctor coming by, or a delivery and those are minimal at best. So there's not this
increase of traffic, from going from 10 to 16, as far as extra cars because that's just not
the case. I've seen just -- to give you backgrounds, I must have done maybe north of 100
assisted living facilities in the greater Phoenix area. They are not high traffic facilities.
They just have the elderly as they're moving in out of their own homes.
As you can probably imagine, it is very intimidating to go from a home setting into a
assisted living facility or hospital that has a 100 beds or more. It's just a lot and then you
just become another number in a multitude. So one of the reason why the smaller scale
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homes did well is because it's just less, I guess, intimidating and still maintains that
home-like environment. But there is just a lot of need. Arizona obviously, we're a state
where people come to retire so, and we're having an aging population. They do need to
go somewhere and I know most people don't like to have them. I have one that's two
doors from my house. But they need a place to stay. So I guess, and also thing to make a
distinction because they do fall under the same as far as the state goes and even the city,
there's no difference that the state and the city makes between a assisted living home for
the elderly or one of those behavior health places. And they're the exact same
requirements and I do wanted to specify that this is a home for the elderly. There are old
people in her, somebody's mom and grandparents that live in this homes. That there's just
that much need that there is on it.
So I'll open up to any questions that any of the Commissioners might have. And then I
guess, last one was just on the encroachment. It's an existing noncompliant. So we didn't
make the house to be out of -- encroaching into the setback. And actually to answer your
question, sorry, Commissioner Watts. The lot coverage is 50 percent. Right now, we are
at 29.9. So we're -- okay, we can round up. We're at 30 percent lot coverage, and the
allowable is 50. And that's on sheet A0.2 that was provided.
GRAY: Commissioner Dapaah?
DAPAAH: Sir, you introduced yourself as the architect?
ISTRATE: Yes.
DAPAAH: Okay. So if approved, what are you doing to renovate the interior to add six
additional beds?
ISTRATE: We are not renovating to add additional beds. We're not taking the rooms
that we have and making smaller rooms. A lot of assisted facilities do function in a share
bedroom capacity where they'll just -- the bedrooms are 2, 300 square feet and there's two
beds that will be sharing the same room. So it's not -- we're not taking space out of the
living room or the dining room or the kitchen to add more bedrooms. So there is no
bedrooms being added. There's just the capacity of the bedroom will just be increased.
Most of these rooms typically have a twin size bed. So if you can imagine a twin size
bed in a corner of a 250 square foot room, does not take -- a twin size bed is 3 foot by 7.
So that takes 21 square feet. So the bed itself takes ten percent of the footprint of the
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room. They use the bedrooms usually at night to sleep. And then during the day they're
sitting in the common area, whether it's at the dining table or in the living room, watching
TV. So there -- some of them are bed-bound and obviously, they don't leave the room
very often.
DAPAAH: Okay. So nothing on the interior will change. You're just going to add six
more beds; is that what I'm understanding?
ISTRATE: At this time, yes. So there are no proposed -- as you look at the plan, there is
no proposed to -- maybe in talking to the operator, there is one larger master bedroom
with a large -- the house was a single-family house. So the master suite itself was
probably close 400-some square feet. So that has the opportunity to be divvied up
differently to maybe create two additional bedrooms. We did not want it to get as far
as -- we didn't wanted to start laying out floorplans if the land -- if the project doesn't get
approved, there's no reason to make plans for something that might not happen. So if it
gets approved, obviously, we still have to submit for full building plans to the building
department. So we'll see what interior changes could be done to accommodate or create
more rooms.
We haven't sat down to start laying out rooms for something that might not come to
fruition.
DAPAAH: Sure. So right now at ten beds, are you at capacity?
ISTRATE: Yes. They're at full capacity.
DAPAAH: You are at full capacity now, with ten beds?
ISTRATE: Yes. Also I'm the architect. She's the operator and the owner. So any, I
guess, questions specifically on the operation I'll obviously defer because I --
DAPAAH: So all ten beds are full right now?
TOLAN: Yes.
ISTRATE: Yes.
DAPAAH: So at 16 beds, you plan to also be full at 16?
TOLAN: I don't know what the plan in the future might be. I just apply and I was
approved for provider for access. Access space for semi-private. So I'm trying to plan
ahead for some people that they don't have money and they apply for Medicaid and use a
room as a semi-private. That I'm going to have 12 or 14, but why not applying for 16 and
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see if I -- how I'm going to accommodate or not.
DAPAAH: So you're just trying to --
TOLAN: Yeah.
DAPAAH: -- go as far as the IRC allows you to?
TOLAN: Right. So but like I said, I just apply for access number. So now I can accept
people that they work with Medicaid.
DAPAAH: Chairman or John -- John or -- I'm sorry. Chairman Gray or John, is there --
would this be considered under healthcare facilities where they have to comply with
building exchange, air exchange codes on the interior and all that? Or this would be a
different type of --
ISTRATE: So as far as the -- when we submit to the building --
DAPAAH: As far as your mechanical systems?
ISTRATE: We will go under -- it's no different than a residential.
DAPAAH: So no different --
ISTRATE: So the house has, I think they currently have two conventional split units, AC
units that supply every room with a diffuser and there's a return in every room. So
obviously, that comes from fresh air from the outside. So it still falls under, as earlier
stated, as a residential. So there's no requirements to provide any additional HVAC or
any additional retrofits to the building as far as changes, since it still falls under
residential and not commercial.
DAPAAH: Okay. So building maintenance, that remains the same as well, even with
additional six beds?
ISTRATE: Well, there's no -- as far as I know there's no maintenance on site. It's
obviously just like a house. As a repair is needed, someone will be called. If the water
heater goes out, some -- I'm sure a service call would go out for somebody to come and
service that. If somebody comes in to probably replace the lights and filters, if the AC
goes out, somebody gets called for that. So there is somebody that comes, but there is not
as much maintenance as maybe one will think. Even with -- even going from -- even on
the 10 residents or even going to 16. There's just not --
DAPAAH: Sure. So there's no routine maintenance happening? I'm assuming there's
not much being torn up in the house.
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ISTRATE: No. I mean, like I said, given the residents, they're senior residents. They're
sitting in their bed or in the living room watching TV. To be honest, I got four kids at
home, I think my house needs a bit more maintenance than the 16 residents, because
they're playing in the house and punching holes in the walls with balls and playing,
whatever. So there's not a lot of traffic as far as them causing damage to the house.
One thing to notice is AZDHS does a yearly inspection on every facility. They do that on
every house and then they assess and they put in deficiencies. And the owners here, they
don't have deficiencies. So if food is not stored properly, if chemicals are not stored
properly, you will get deficiency and they'll take your license away. So there is
regulations. The fire department does their yearly inspections too. So they are inspected
and they're not announced. So they do show up whenever they feel like -- similar to a
restaurant. When the Health Department shows up to a restaurant, they don't give them a
heads up so they can, you know, to get their stuff in order. They just show up and if
you're not ready you get deficiency. If you have deficiency, they will revoke your license
and they will close you down.
So they been in operation since 2005, that wouldn't be the case if they weren't operating a
clean facility.
GRAY: Commissioner Corey?
COREY: Thank you. Thank you, Daniel. You already addressed some of my questions
earlier. One was going to be what's the basis behind the increase. But you addressed that
saying there's a need. So you know that there's people waiting for something like this.
ISTRATE: Correct. So the operator can probably. So they get calls constantly and
they're saying well, we'll put you on the list. We're let you know if, when we have an
opening. And I know the openings don't stay very long. And I think, going back to one
of the other questions that Patrick had is, just because somebody applies for 16 that
doesn't necessarily mean they'll be running at full capacity. Just like anything else, like a
hotel --
COREY: It gives you that buffer.
ISTRATE: -- is not at full capacity. They might take two, three additional and just given
the nature of the use, some -- well, not some. All residents, at one point, will pass away
and then other ones will come in. So that, our first -- let's hypothetically say that they
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only have one room open right now, they're at nine and they have one room. And a
couple calls in to be, you know, they would like to stay -- which actually, that happens
quite often. They both move out and they say, well, we only have one bed available. So
they cannot take both of them in. They just -- state law will not allow it, and just, they're
very strict on enforcing. If they come in and you have more than ten residents, they will
close you right there on the spot. So that will allow them to have those two couples -- a
couple to be able to stay in. So that's one of the reason to do that. So they might be, I
think, as Simone had mentioned, maybe 12 or 13. Doesn't necessarily mean -- and
they're not always at ten either. As somebody comes, somebody might be coming in,
that's just how they operate.
COREY: Okay. Thank you. And you also addressed visitors. So I was concerned about
how many may show up at any given time but it sounds like that's a scheduled visit.
ISTRATE: It is a scheduled thing. And it's kind of more of a side commentary. I think I
mentioned earlier that I must have done hundreds of this and I've been in a lot of them. If
you really wanted to know the truth, the visitors are very minimal at best. They do end
up being placed there and a lot of time the immediate family are children. They're out of
state in California and Illinois, so they do not come as often as one would think that they
would come and visit. They really don't. If somebody's local, sometimes they do. And
I'm not saying that that's the rule. But more often than not, I go to them -- through these
facilities all the time because I have to take measurements, I will say not even one out of
ten that I've gone in there and I've seen family visiting. It does tend to increase around
the holidays, Christmas. Maybe since they're out of state they might be coming back to
visit. But no, not as much as one would -- if you think that one family is coming in and
the other one is leaving, that's just not the case.
COREY: Okay. And aren't there some insurance companies that -- I think ALTCS is
one of them that I heard of that requires sometimes that people have to share a room in
order to get the benefits of the insurance?
ISTRATE: Correct. So that's -- they've applied for that. So they will not -- so ALTCS
will not pay for private rooms because they're -- you know, the government pays for it
and I guess, private room are considered a luxury that the government doesn't seem that
people deserve. So they would only pay for a shared room. So obviously, there's cost
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involved. So a private room will cost more but then if you have two rooms, then that way
you can take residents in a room that normally will just be reserved for one person.
COREY: So it sounds like that double occupancy is common if they're looking for that
as well.
ISTRATE: Correct. And that doesn't mean that you put -- I mean, just the way it
operates. If you place a parent or a grandparent there and you're paying for a private
room and you want them to be in a private room, they will not put somebody in just
because they have the occupancy of 16. It doesn't mean they're going to put two because
they say -- that gets established on day one. I will like to get a private room, so then they
will put him in a private room. You can't show up the next time you visit and there's
somebody else in there. I mean, there's contracts between the --
COREY: Sure.
ISTRATE: -- people that place them and the operator. So you can't just -- I guess just
like a hotel, you can't show up and somebody else is in your room.
COREY: And just one final question. We all know that my math skills are not that good.
Where do the caregivers stay?
ISTRATE: So there are nine rooms, not eight. So there's nine rooms and the caregivers.
So if we look at the floorplan there's nine rooms. The caregivers stay in one of the
additional room. So and even right now, you can still have double occupancy. So the
eight rooms are for the residents, the other ones are for the caregivers. And like, as
mentioned earlier, if it gets approved we'll look at a ways to add a few additional
bedrooms to figure out. We haven't, truth be told, haven't been paid to do a program yet
for what it could be. I'm sure we can always find the master suite, as mentioned. It's
about 400, 500 square feet. It's -- those bedrooms are quite large. And nobody needs,
that large bedrooms. So those could be reconfigured. Maybe another room for a
caregiver or split into two more rooms for the residents.
COREY: Thank you. You sound very educated in this area. So I appreciate all your
answers.
ISTRATE: No problem.
GRAY: Just to tag onto Commissioner Corey real quick. So the caregiver model is a
live-in caregiver model. So the patients has the same caregiver 24/7 essentially, or is it a
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rotating?
ISTRATE: They're the same caregivers that stay there. It's the same caregivers.
GRAY: Okay.
ISTRATE: They do have -- well, they're not working 24/7 because nobody does that.
That's just --
GRAY: No. Understood.
ISTRATE: But they are live-in caregivers and they are required to have at least -- every
six days they're required to have a 24-hour period off. So then they either rotate.
Sometimes they -- actually the operators will be the ones that stay in, just from operation
purposes to make sure that, you know, if it's your business you want to make sure that it's
going okay. So sometimes -- or they will bring in additional person during that day to
give somebody the day off whenever they're not working. But it's the same familiar face.
So it's not -- isn't a staff of like 20 people that, you look on schedule to see -- in a
hospital, for example, my wife is a nurse in the pediatric unit. There's, I don't know,
there's -- they only hve six beds in the -- it's the PICU so they don't -- you know, less.
But there's, I don't know eight nurses that, you know, to rotation. But these are the same
caregivers that they're -- day in and day out.
GRAY: So just to clarify for me. I'm not a residential code expert, but 16 licensed beds
plus four fulltime, 24/7 caregivers is 20, since I'm better at math than you. Does that not
cross your residential code occupancy threshold?
ISTRATE: No, it does not. So the residential code is based -- strictly controls the
number of residents. Which number of residents are what the State of Arizona, AZDHS,
Department of Health Services, they refer to the people that you're placing in there to be
cared for. There's a lot of facilities based on -- there's a lot of facilities that actually bring
in -- they actually have larger ones. I don't mean larger like more residents, larger just
square footage. Because I do some, they are still ten residents but they're like 10,000
square foot and they have larger rooms. They bring in a -- almost like, let's call it
dayshift. There will be caregivers that show up at 6 o'clock in the morning and they'll
stay there until, I don't know, 8, 9 o'clock at night. There'll be three, four of them that
come in. and they will leave at the end of their shifts, at 9 o'clock. They don't actually
stay. And there'll only be one, or at the most time, two caregivers that stay at night
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because somebody has to be there. And they don't go to sleep. They sit on the couch,
just like someone in a hospital with the night nurses. They'll sit there all night in case a
resident needs help, because they have a little bell that they ring or a little buzzer and then
they go into the room. So the building code regulates the number of residents because
the caregivers are not a given that they stay there. They're not required that's why they
make no concessions for parking or number. And as, I think, a earlier question was
brought in, believe it or not, and I don't make the rules. AZDHS does not have a number
of caregivers that they are required based on number of residents. It is impossible, I can
tell you right now to have one caregiver for 16 residents. But that, if you were to have a
facility and only have one -- I think to one of the points that Commissioner Watts made,
it is virtually impossible to have one caregiver for that. But the state does not regulate
and they're not control how many -- they don't say well, once you're at ten you need three
to four. If you're at 16, you need five to six. There is no number that they associate with
that. There just isn't one. Just like in hospitals, they can have -- one nurse can have five,
six patients. And we know that that's actually a reality, it happens quite a bit.
GRAY: So I appreciate the state has their definition of what is a clinical resident. But
then the building code has a definition of resident being basically occupant, inhabitant.
Farhad can you offer -- do you concur with that interpretation that 20 is actually 16,
because they're not clinical residents? I would challenge that simply because in the eyes
of building code, a resident is an occupant spending the night within the premise of the
perimeter walls, no matter whether you're the provider or the caregiver. So are we not
talking about 20 as our real number here? I just don't want to -- I don't want to allow the
blurred line. I think we've got a lot of blurred lines coming into this so far. But I don't
want to allow that particular blurred line to get -- to lose sight of it anyway.
TAVASSOLI: Yeah, Mr. Chairman, in the grand scheme, we are talking about 20
residents. The zoning ordinance refers to ten residents. And I believe it's referring to
beds, actually. So we'll take another look at that.
GRAY: And that's how I remember the deliberation as well. As it was really heads and
beds regardless of your purpose on the premise. And then can I also just ask while you're
up. I guess I interpreted this, as I read the packet, I interpreted this as a net zero, no
changes other than the site adjustments that were going to happen. But I understand now
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we're saying, that no, we're actually going to go through a full architectural plan review
process, including manual J Calcs for HVAC loads and so on and so forth. Is that where
this is actually progressing if we do in fact subscribe to the special use?
TAVASSOLI: Mr. Chairman, I cannot say at this point what modifications would
accompany this. In my brief conversations, and I may have misunderstood my brief
conversations just before the meeting. I heard there would be some modifications, but it
may have been reorientation of the bedrooms or addition of beds and so on.
GRAY: Okay. Thank you. Sorry. Commissioner Watts.
WATTS: I'm still struggling with a couple of things. One, the math on the personnel.
The 20 people -- the caregivers first off, are -- my math says there's going to be
ultimately, if you're at 16 beds, you're going to have five caregivers. Based upon
utilizing what you've got now, assuming that you get a ratio of somewhere three, because
of your rolling schedules and so on. So you're always going to have that. And when you
extrapolate five, I don't -- I grant you that when you've gone back and looked at the
pictures you've never had any cars in the parking spaces. Do they all ride in one car?
ISTRATE: The caregivers live on the premises. They do not ride on -- they don't
commute to and from the facility. That's where they --
WATTS: How do they get there?
ISTRATE: Somebody give them a ride. I have no idea how they get there. But they
don't -- okay, I let the operator, they just don't -- most of them do not own cars. I mean
that's not -- it's not a requirement to own a car. Somehow they got there. I can tell you
right now that there's not three cars for the -- you're more than welcome on any given
day, without announcing to stop by to see if you ever see more than one car on that
driveway. So they just, most of them don't own a car.
WATTS: Does the caregiver headcount include -- first off, are the caregivers all
licensed? Are they required to be licensed?
ISTRATE: Yes. So every caregiver is licensed. They have to have a fingerprint card.
And the caregivers don't -- the owner and operator could be considered one of the
caregivers with aiding two more of the other caregivers that are there 24/7. So at the end
of the day, the owner might opt to go home at their own house, so then it will leave the
two other caregivers to stay there for the night.
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WATTS: So which of the caregivers does the cooking? One of them?
ISTRATE: I have no idea. I will leave that --
WATTS: That's a 24/7 job. Cooking.
TOLAN: 24/7?
WATTS: Pretty close.
TOLAN: Nobody eats after 6 p.m.
WATTS: Okay.
TOLAN: It's not quite 24/7.
WATTS: And how about the laundry services and housecleaning? Who does that? Is it
one of the caregivers again?
TOLAN: Yes. So that's how all the care homes operate in the valley or at least 90
percent, and all my friends. I've been in business 19 years, with two care homes. At one
point, four care homes. And somehow we find a way to make it cleaner than you believe.
And everybody comes in the house and say like, I can't believe it's so clean. And yes, we
do manage to do all these things. And the caregivers, sometimes the husband, the family
brings some of the caregivers, let's say they're from California or whatever, and they
come here to work for like, I don't know six months, a year and then they go back. And
they save on rent and stuff like that. And they're happy with the opportunity to live in the
premises. So most of my caregivers they don't have a car. I cannot say all of them, but
most of them, you know, they don't.
WATTS: So just so I'm clear again. We're going to put two residents in each bedroom or
each area --
TOLAN: That will be at maximum capacity.
WATTS: And you're going to put between four and five caregivers, depending upon
rotating schedules in another separate room.
TOLAN: Well, even when I have three, one of them, it's mostly for the nighttime. And
you know, maybe give days off for like -- we rotate it and depends of the need and what
kind of residents I have. Sometimes they need a lot of help at nighttime, sometimes not.
And I adapt. I not always have like three or -- I might have two or three at -- at the 16
capacity, I may have four or five, but not five during the day all of them. Maybe three
during the day and two during the night. So it will not be all the time.
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I will manage. As I said, I been 19 years in business and we are governed by health
department. So they regulate us and they make the rules and we follow the rules and also
we try to the best to make the family happy. Because if the family residents are not
happy, I will not have a business. So somehow we do manage to do all these things.
WATTS: Thank you.
GRAY: Commissioner Dempster.
DEMPSTER: Hi. I just would like a little clarification, because I -- just to further
clarify. So it seems like at any given time, overnight there may be two caregivers there;
is that correct?
ISTRATE: Well, two caregivers, yes. But there are --
DEMPSTER: On duty, awake?
ISTRATE: Yeah, on duty. Yes. Not sleeping.
DEMPSTER: And they -- all the caregivers would share a room? The same room?
ISTRATE: I think what she mentioned earlier, I think that she has a family that lives
there, which is a -- made up of a husband and a wife, which --
DEMPSTER: Are two caregivers?
ISTRATE: -- so they're going to share a room. And then -- so right now, they have the
two and it sounds like they bring somebody else at night. So if that's the case, then
there'll be an additional room for the additional caregivers. Right now, there isn't one
because there just wasn't a need for one.
DEMPSTER: Okay. So then let me back up then. I thought you said you had eight
bedrooms for the residents and plus one bedroom. So I'm thinking that plus one is for the
caregivers.
ISTRATE: Correct.
DEMPSTER: And the eight bedrooms are for your residents.
ISTRATE: Correct.
DEMPSTER: So all your caregivers share the same room? Is that correct?
ISTRATE: Yes, but there's only --
DEMPSTER: Does that make sense?
WATTS: We don't know.
ISTRATE: Correct. But she just said that there's a family. There's two caregivers that --
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DEMPSTER: Right. But they're not there all the time. So when they're not there other
people are using the room? I mean, when they have a day off and the other caregivers
are there, I mean they're not there 24/7, right?
TOLAN: No. Usually, I will give like, even when they have days off, that will be there
room as well. Not for the residents. So I have not used that room --
DEMPSTER: Well, not a resident, but another caregiver?
TOLAN: Oh, yes. Of course.
DEMPSTER: They share the room?
TOLAN: Yes, they can share the room. Yeah.
DEMPSTER: And as the owner/operator, you don't live there?
TOLAN: No.
DEMPSTER: Okay. And then, I'm curious about the sanitary district going from 10
beds to 16 beds. Is there any check and balance there?
ISTRATE: So the way it works is it's just based on number of fixtures. So up to -- the
way sanitary line works, up to three toilets you have a three-inch sanitary line. Once you
go above that, four and above, it's a four-inch line. And it stays at four-inch line all the
way. When you get to 24 toilets it can still be staying on a four-inch line. Only when
you get above that, does it go up to six. So you have to have hotels of at least 24 rooms
before that increases to a six-inch line. So up to -- so since there is four bathrooms there
is a four-inch line. Even if we put a bathroom in every room we will still not be
exceeding what code requires as far as the size of the sewer line.
DEMPSTER: Okay. And then none of the residents own cars?
ISTRATE: The live-in --
DEMPSTER: The residents?
ISTRATE: No. They do not.
DEMPSTER: Okay.
ISTRATE: And out of the all the projects I've done I don't know a single house that will
allow a resident to stay there with a car just for liability purpose. I mean these people, if
they're there, it's because they need help. And there's dementia and other cases, you do
not want them to -- let them --
DEMPSTER: Okay. I just want to clarify.
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ISTRATE: -- some of them do want to come with cars but they're not -- they're, like,
yeah, you can't drive.
DEMPSTER: And now, does a doctor come to the facility? Because if the caregivers
don't have cars, how do they get to appointments?
ISTRATE: So if they go to appointments, that's where a lot of times the operator will
take them. But nurses and doctors do come in. But they will call and if there's a need,
they say, so and so resident needs to be there -- but I'll let her --
TOLAN: I have a house doctor for 19 years, same doctor. And he is coming every
month for visits. And all the symptoms and we monitor the -- every day them, and we
also over the phone with them. So the doctor is coming once a month, same doctor for all
my residents.
DEMPSTER: So they don't go out of the facility for appointments?
TOLAN: They rare -- they do, sometimes for specialist doctors, but that's very rare and
it's with arrangement with the car; it comes, pick them up and drops them.
DEMPSTER: Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you.
GRAY: Just you had mentioned. You haven't been engaged to do any programing or
blocking of rooms within this property, right, at this point?
ISTRATE: Correct. I blocked the property but I have not -- and I did, what is called an
as built condition. So I measure what's there existing, but I have not start making a
program and laying out to see what a potential two or three or four bedrooms will look
like. We didn't get that far.
TOLAN: I'm sorry. Another architect about, I don't know, six, seven years ago, he make
the plans for 11 bedrooms and nine bathrooms. And it was approved by City of Fountain
Hills but I never act on it.
ISTRATE: So I have no knowledge of that, as she mentioned another --
GRAY: Can you help us -- yeah, it's not in our packet either. So under -- so let's see, if
you were to draw this today, you would be under residential code, we think.
ISTRATE: Correct.
GRAY: Although, we're saying that the real number is 20, so maybe not. What do we --
what do you look at for the clinical component? Do you look under FGI for outpatient
facilities or what's the guide for the clinical care component, and mainly just as an
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example. When you're blocking this thing out, when you look for clearances around the
bed for patient safety and so on and so forth, what is that point of reference? And I'm just
curious.
ISTRATE: Okay. So there's couple of things that we do when -- as was obviously,
established. In the beginning this as a built on day one as a single family residence. And
a lot of this, but most of this facility somebody purchases an existing house that then they
convert to one of this assisted living facility. Very few are the people that can afford to
actually build one for ten residents from the scratch. So then there's certain requirements
that we have. We still have to provide a ADA restrooms but they're not -- so provide
ADA restroom, make sure that we have grab bars in the bathroom. Even if the bathroom
itself is not a full ADA bathroom, which you're not required to have them. There's one
ADA bathroom required but the rest of them every operator installs grab bars just for
ease of use. We typically, replace all the doors. Most homes comes with I think 32-inch
doors, that's just what most builder put in. We replace the door to 36-inch doors just so
you can get in with the wheelchairs a lot easier. They do that for a lot of reasons. For the
wheelchairs also just so the doors don't get banged up as they're going by. We talked
about fire sprinklers, fire alarms. Clearances, keeping -- if some rooms have exits to the
outside, make sure that that exit is provided. Make sure beds do not go in front of
windows because windows are still a second means of egress if they -- residents
themselves are not able to self-evacuate, you still need -- fire department, they can use
windows to get in. So bedrooms not to go up against windows. ADA bathrooms, grab
bars, and just wider corridors.
Other than that, that's usually at a minimum -- I guess, another thing too, maybe to
specify. The type of resident, they are not on like ventilators or anything like that.
They're still mobile. They get up from their beds and they come sit on the couch and
watch TV. So they're not, as far as, needing medical -- they need help taking their meds
but not as far as -- they're not in a strict regimen or they're not, where they're walking
around with IVs connected to one of those -- those require actually hospital. If a patient
decays to that point, they are taken to a hospital. They're not -- that requires a nurse and a
doctor to administrate that.
GRAY: All right. Paula, do we have any speaker cards?
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WOODWARD: Yes, Chairman. There were four written statements, speaker cards
against approving the 16 beds. And then there are speakers. In order of appearance, the
first speaker will be Tom Lifton (ph.), Crystal Cavanaugh, Veronica Oliver (ph.), and
Larry Meyers.
LIFFITON: Hello Chairman, Commissioners. Thank you for the opportunity to provide
some input. Thank you for your work. Just to start, I want to say some nice things about
the neighbors. My wife and I live directly across from the facility --
GRAY: Tom, will you pull that mic up a little closer to you? Thanks.
LIFFITON: How's that? So my wife and I live directly across from the facility. You can
see our place right at the end of Westby Towers, right at the end of Westby. So we get to
see quite -- I'm retired. So we get to see a lot of what goes on over there. It's a very quiet
place. In general it looks very nice. Traffic either is from zero parking all the way up
to -- there can be, to this morning there were two cars in the parking spaces on site, and
one in the street. But that can get expand to more. It can go to three or four in the
parking onsite and it can be up and down the street on both sides of the street. And
sometimes, somebody might park all the way at the end, at Palisades. Which is a little
bothersome. But in general, I would say it's tolerable. So I know nothing about what
goes on inside the house. It's very quiet. At night we don't really see or hear anything
from them.
Our concern is really with what we see through our living room window. And with this
picture that you have up there, we can see from the -- we're looking straight across, we
can see to the left there's an area of landscape with one Ocotillo and a bush and a little
white mailbox. On Tuesdays they bring out three trash cans, one of those three big trash
cans. They're filled to the gills, to the top. The top can't close. That's only on one day of
the week. But what we're really concerned with is this driveway. If you'll see it's sort of
a semi-circular driveway in a way. Right now, it covers about, I would say a third of the
property. If you look on their proposal, you're going to wipe out all of the landscaping on
the left. You're going to take out all that gravel, sand. You'll take out the Ocotillo and
two cars will be parked right there. And then, on the opposite side, that area, the parking
area is going to be bumped out a bit toward Palisades. So what you're going to end up
with is with at least two-thirds of the driveway -- at least two-thirds of the front yard will
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be all driveway. Which just doesn't look good. And quoting the statement that came
along with the request, Kontexture, that's the company that wants to do this. Stated it,
"wishes to increase the number of residents while keeping the facility's residential status,
feel of the home, residential function, and appearance". And I just don't think that what
they're proposing by taking out this landscaping and paving over the whole front yard --
or most of the front yard is going to do that. Plus, it's got to increase the traffic to some
extent, I don't really know about that.
Those are our concerns. So saying all that, I'm against the proposal as it stands. We're
against the proposal as it stands, my wife and I. But we have a suggestion that if they can
put up some kind of high bushes, the size of the Ocotillo, high up there to hide the new
parking lot, the two spots there, that might be a compromise. I don't know that it takes
care of all the other problems I've heard here. But it's maybe something in the right
direction. So that's all I have to say.
GRAY: Thank you, Tom.
LIFFITON: Thanks very much.
CAVANAUGH: So I did drive by this property today and I did notice the parking was a
little interesting also. There was only one vehicle and it was a white pickup truck. I'm
not sure whose that was. So if there were any staff in there that was their vehicle. And it
was parked at the end of the driveway, across the driveway, blocking part of it. That
alone kind of worried me because I thought what if you have to have an emergency
vehicle. So I didn't know if that was a typical thing. But I also noticed it was going to be
kind of a difficult street to bulk up with more parking. And I can see where this would
even increase all the pavement that this neighbor's talking about.
But my other thought on this was, a bigger surprise was the staff recommendation. Why
would they automatically suggest that you approve this? Did we not spend over a year
talking about our community residences? We talked about the family-style community
residence, longer term, and then we had the transitional. So we didn't distinguish with
behavioral. So I'm not sure they're really familiar exactly with our Fountain Hills
ordinances, because at ten occupants they were one of the grandfathered in ones. I would
judge that to be the case because now the new ones, if you want to start up a new one,
you can only have eight plus staff. So now we're talking, they want to not change
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anything in the building, they just want to bring in a whole lot more beds and stack these
poor people in like sardines for funding. And so I'm very concerned about their quality
of life but I'm only concerned about the neighborhood's quality of life and I'm concerned
that if we start changing our ordinance this quickly, and allowing them to bump up to 16,
the next family community residence, why can't they ask us to do the same. And then the
transitional homes will feel discriminated against if we don't bump them back up. So this
is just a slippery, slippery slope and I say no. Thank you.
OLIVER: Good evening. Thank you. I'm Veronica Oliver. I live in Westby Towers.
Westby is a little bit of a speed road and a lot of cars speed. With cars on both sides of
the roads, which a lot of the time there are, cars can't even get through and there's an
accident waiting to happen.
I was -- just received my paperwork today in the mail. And on this sheet it says seven
bedrooms. It doesn't say eight. It doesn't say nine. It says seven. Regardless, I do
volunteer work at group homes back in Michigan where I summer. And the homes could
not possibly take this many beds and put in this small of a area and take care of the
people the way they should be taken care of. I mean, they're not in regular beds. They're
in hospital beds. And if they have wheelchairs, and they have all their other equipment.
They can't fit into these rooms.
I am concerned about the patients. And the clients, or whatever you want to call them,
because they do deserve the best possible care that they could get. And it doesn't help
that there are cars coming and going. And I know they said back from 2015 there's only
been one car in the parking lot at each time they took a picture. Well, that is very
abnormal. I don't think this is a good place and it's a residential area, it's not a
commercial area and it should stay residential. Thank you.
MEYERS: Chair, Commissioners, so it took us two years to debate the ordinance that
separated the community residents from the transitional residents. The debate that took
place massive amount of time was about the level of care. We settled on five residents
and a caregiver for the transitionals. We took it from ten down to eight for the
community. They happen to be at ten, so they got grandfathered in.
That house is 4,500 square feet and I live in 4,500 square feet, and if you stuck 20 people
in my house, it's crowded. I don't care whether you're in a wheelchair, whether you don't
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move, whether you stay in bed, there's -- it would be very crowded. And so we spent a
lot of time talking about level of care and numbers of occupants, and caregiver to resident
ratios during the two years that we took to thoughtfully make our town ordinances,
regardless of what the state says. We felt that in this town this is what the level of care
that we wanted to deliver to people in these conditions. And we decided on our numbers
and I don't see any reasons to change our numbers because it was two years' worth of
thought and you're the people that were the thoughtful people.
It ended up being your ordinance with a slight twist at the council level, that ended up
going into effect. And now here we are. That thing's not even a year old. The ink's not
dry on the paper and we're getting asked for a change.
So I'm more looking at this from a level of care and caregiver to resident ratio, and the
square footage and the building stuff doesn't mean anything to me. I think the building's
too small for 20 people, period. And I think 20 people and a few caregivers piled into
4,500 square feet is a lower level of care than 10 people. And that's just that. And if
anybody feels differently, well, then so be it. But it's -- I don't think it's what we decided
to do and I think Vice Mayor McMahon would agree since we're now a dementia friendly
town. So we're going to lower the level of care and I disagree with that. So I would say
don't increase the occupancy on this building. Let's just operate as it is and be done with
it. Thank you.
GRAY: Paula, any more speaker cards?
WOODWARD: No, Chairman.
GRAY: Thank you, Paula. All right. We'll go ahead and close the public portion of our
hearing. Let's call Farhad back up for any final deliberation ahead of a motion.
DEMPSTER: Hi. Can you just clarify for me, sorry, this has gotten a little confusing.
Currently, this property is residential home and we do not have a zoning that would
accommodate, should this go through; is that correct? So if this change went through it
would be considered a commercial property, correct?
TAVASSOLI: Mr. Chairman, in terms of operation, how it operates, it would be
considered a commercial property.
DEMPSTER: Changed to commercial? Okay.
TAVASSOLI: Yeah.
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DEMPSTER: And I'm -- because we have all R-3 surrounding that, all residential. So,
okay. Thank you.
TAVASSOLI: Thank you.
GRAY: Commissioner Dapaah?
DAPAAH: So five years ago I saw many of the elderly here in Fountain Hills move --
size down from their homes into Park Place, okay. Today you go there and most of them
are dying. A lot of them due to loneliness. So there's a -- I know that there's a real need
for this service. Okay, I know we've been talking a lot about the drug treatment facilities
and all that and we know where that's going. But for this, there's a real need here in
Fountain Hills. Literally, abandoned parents, abandoned elderly here in the Town of
Fountain Hills. I cannot get too caught up in that.
Our obligation here today is, it says here, "to make recommendations to the council based
on the maintenance and operation of the use of the building that's applied for, that it will
not be detrimental to the public health, safety, peace, comfort, and general welfare of
persons residing or working in the neighborhood or anything". I did a due diligence and
walked the whole neighborhood. And to be honest with you, what I observed was this
particular building was one of the buildings that was very well cared for in the
neighborhood. I even walked into the facility unannounced and saw how clean that it
was. And no one -- the need here, Mr. Chairman, I would like to move that we go with
the staff recommendation to approve the special use permit. Of course, with the --
hoping that they will do some modification on the interior to be able to take this
additional 16 beds. I, in no way, believe that they will fill it to the max to 16 but want
the capacity to be able to operate and move to approve the special use permit to allow the
home there at 16602 East Palisades Boulevard for this additional six beds.
GRAY: Commissioners, Commissioner Dapaah has put a motion to recommend
approval to the town council of the requested case ahead of calling for a second. I, at
least, want to vocalize kind of where I'm at on this. And frankly, I just think we're -- I
think we're too premature with this. I cannot get past the -- I appreciate everything that
Commissioner Dapaah has stated and I appreciate that he's visited the facility. I
appreciate that the facility runs well and is well maintained at ten. But based on the
information in the packet, based on the intent to retain a lot of the public -- or not the
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public, but the gathering spaces within, based on the information that we now understand
the staff are also fulltime residents of the facility and thereby we've got 19 or 20 people
living in this single family home at any given time, for me personally, I at least need a
layout that shows me how those beds are going to work inside of this facility before I'm
going to -- before I'm going to get behind this recommendation. So as we consider a
second to Commissioner Dapaah's motion, I just want to be clear that I'm going to be
voting against this recommendation at this time.
So Commissioner's any other thoughts or potential amendments to Commissioner
Dapaah's motion? Or a second, please. No seconds to the motion?
Commissioner Dapaah's motion has failed. Opens the floor back up to discussion or any
alternate motion if we're all done with discussion.
WATTS: So Chairman Gray?
GRAY: Commissioner Watts?
WATTS: I would move to deny the special use permit for the multi-zoning district
SUP23-000002.
GRAY: Commissioners any amendment to the motion or a second, please?
DEMPSTER: I would second that.
GRAY: Commissioner Watts has made a motion to recommend denial of the special use
permit. Commissioner Dempster has seconded the motion. Paula rollcall vote, please?
WOODWARD: Commissioner Corey?
COREY: Aye.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Dapaah?
DAPAAH: Nay.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Dempster?
DEMPSTER: Aye.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Watts?
WATTS: Aye.
WOODWARD: Vice Chairman Schlossberg?
SCHLOSSBERG: Aye.
WOODWARD: Chairman Gray?
GRAY: Aye.
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WOODWARD: Five, one.
GRAY: Thank you, Paula.
Okay. Commissioners, informal straw poll. Do we want to carry on to agenda item 5 or
do we want to take a five- or ten-minute break?
DEMPSTER: Break.
GRAY: Break.
DEMPSTER: Break.
GRAY: All right. We will recess for ten minutes. Let's reconvene at 8:45. [Ins] 2.54.33
[RECESS]
CHAIRMAN GRAY: All right. We're back in session. Agenda item 5. Public hearing
consideration of action. I'll skip to the end. RZ23-1.
TAVASSOLI: Okay. Sorry. Trying to get this on presentation mode here. We'll just
use this.
Okay, Mr. Chairman and Members of the Commission. So the application request before
you is a zone change for a .86 acre parcel which is a dual zone property right now. It is
split between R1-35H and OSR, which is open space residential. The request is to zone it
in such a way that it's uniformly zoned R1-35H. A little bit of history here. This
property was actually replatted in March, just this past March. It was originally at about
29,000 square feet. With the replat it increased to 37,284 square feet and that was done
through a transference of ownership from the Fire Rock Country Club to the applicant for
this rezone request, a private owner of this property. So what the applicant is requesting
is -- and let me just go straight to the map here. The property outlined in red is the parcel,
is the subject parcel in question. A portion of which here is zoned open space residential,
while the rest is zoned R1-35H. The applicant is requesting a rezoning of the OSR
portion to R1-35H. The reason being, right now as it stands, the lot coverage percentage
was already exceeded under the original configuration. The applicant wishes to make a
few additions and the only way, in order not to exceed the lot coverage limits any further,
and incidentally lot coverage limit is 20 percent, was to basically expand the boundaries
of the property and Fire Rock County Club agreed to transfer ownership for a small
portion of their property to the current landowner.
And this is just depicting the fact that upon approval it will be uniformly zoned R1-35H.
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Just like the properties to the east and the west. And incidentally, to the south of
Tombstone there, the property is zoned R1-35 with a RUPD overlay, which might have a
few differences from the R1-35 base zoning standards.
So a quick recommendation is to -- staff believes that this is worthy of approval. It
creates a uniformly zoned R1-35H parcel. And it allows the applicants to make additions
without exceeding the lot coverage limits, as I stated earlier.
With that, I'll open it up to questions or comments.
GRAY: Farhad, just one simple question. So with that incorporation of the OSR land,
you mentioned in your presentation that that facilitates the expansion objectives of the
owner.
TAVASSOLI: Right.
GRAY: Does that then reset them at that -- was it 20 percent maximum?
TAVASSOLI: Yes.
GRAY: So I guess, getting to my ultimate point here. They would have no coverage
ability to build within that OSR space, right? It's a calculation rounding there at this
point?
TAVASSOLI: Right.
GRAY: Okay. I was just trying to make sure that the OSR was actually preserved as its
underlying intent in non-buildable space. Yeah. That's it. I have no objection.
Commissioner Dempster?
DEMPSTER: Just one question. Is that currently a single level home?
TAVASSOLI: Yes.
DEMPSTER: It is?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: The addition is going above the garage. So it's not going
to go out.
DEMPSTER: So it's going above the garage? Okay. Thank you.
GRAY: Okay. Paula, do we have any speaker cards?
WOODWARD: No, Chairman.
GRAY: Larry go home?
Okay. We'll close the public hearing. Commissioners a motion on agenda item 5?
Commissioner Watts?
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WATTS: I move to approve the rezoning of the OSR for uniform zone R1-35H and it is
RZ23-000001, as submitted.
DAPAAH: I will second that motion.
GRAY: Commissioner Watts has recommended approval of the rezone. Seconded by
Commissioner Dapaah. I think on this one we'll go al in favor?
ALL: Aye.
GRAY: Opposed?
WOODWARD: Six, zero.
GRAY: Thank you very much, Paula. I'm sorry to make you guys wait. You should
have brought more people. We took a vote.
All right. Agenda item 8. Public hearing consideration possible direction on special use
permit 2301, to permit ten apartments in three buildings on a third acre parcel at 16741
East Glenbrook. John?
WESLEY: Commissioners. Try this again. See where we go with this one.
Again, this is a consideration of a property at Glenbrook and Fountain Hills Boulevard,
southeast corner. Area is platted there, it's zoned CC, common commercial, which is
very similar to the C-1 zoning district, lowest end of our commercial districts. This one's
a little unique in that it allows for common parking. It was platted in 1973 and has had
limited development over the years. Last development was in 2004.
This lot in question was used a playground for adjacent school some years ago, but it's
not been in use for the last several years. The new owner seeks to put some apartments
on this property. C-C does not allow residential by right. So two options, one be to
rezone to a multi-residence district. Two choices there, might be the R-2 or R-3,
allowing either seven or nine units. The other option is the special use permit for the C-C
district which is what the applicant has chosen to request.
So again, this is the property and you can see the surrounding zoning. Commercial to the
north and south, R-2 further to the east, single residence to the west and the church is
there on both sides of Glenbrook, west of Fountain Hills Boulevard.
General plan encourages a range of housing types and densities. Encourages to protect
and maintain neighborhood character. Support a mix of resident and employment and
commercial uses. This character area is a mixed use neighborhood. So again, it
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anticipates the commercial office, retail, and residential uses kind of being combined
together.
Again the requirements of the zoning ordinance for review of a special use permit. And
so as we look at that as it applies to this specific request, will the proposed use be
detrimental to the public health, safety, welfare? So here we are at a somewhat major
intersection, first one as you come into town from the north. Has the commercial zoning,
does have some commercial viability because of this location along a primary street. But
as I stated at the beginning it's been platted and zoned for 50 years for the commercial
development and none had happened to date. And so maybe we've done that long view
that we've talked about earlier already, in terms of this property and its potential for that
commercial activity. New residential would help support potentially the other
commercial that's there by having more residents in close proximity.
Will it be detrimental or injurious to surrounding properties? Sometimes people have a
concern if you put residential in a commercial area, you might somehow limit that
commercial development. Now, maybe there's some commercials that wouldn't happen
because there's residential there. They lose confidence in the area as a commercial center
or they or compatible with the residential use. So now the commercial tries to come in
and the residents that are living there start protesting the commercial activities. So that
can be an issue by bringing the commercial or the residential into a commercial area. But
again, the residents should help support the commercial areas and the few number of
units on a major street, not really worried about traffic issues that might come from this.
The other one here, with new development, is the design and development of the
property. It will be designed and developed in a way or can be, that it creates a desirable
living environment as envisioned in the general plan.
And so staff has a little bit of concern with this proposal because it is such a small tract at
the corner. Applicant's been working on several different designs and layouts here. We
still have a few issues that don't quite meet code yet and this is what I was going to say
about my mistake earlier. In your packet I mistakenly I included this site plan as well as
the previous one. So if you got confused about why you had two site plans in your
packet, ignore the second one. This is the latest version.
So the driveways aren't quite up to width. Those there guest parking spaces probably
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don't really work and so there's going to be some additional design work that's going to
need to happen on here. I'm thinking they may lose a unit. They don't want to. We'll
just have to see what we continue to come up with. Some concerns about, again, this
primary corner. The desire of the general plan that we start to establish some entry type
features as we come into town and this is one of the intersections that is designated. So
the wall in the back of the units, we're going to have to pay a lot of attention to the
architecture and how that looks. And then if we went back to -- go down to look at this
ten units, parking lots then on two sides. Major streets on other two sides, is it really
creating a desirable living environment at this location. It's not located directly to the
other residences a little further down the street.
So again, that's where staff has a little bit of concern about this particular use permit and
does it really -- will it add to the community the way we want to create a living
environment and will be enjoyable to those who would live there. You can look at the
site plan. In term of the site plan you've got the driveways and parking lots. Each unit
will have a private yard, which is nice, but as far as other -- you come out your front door
it's pretty much again in a kind of parking situation and not a lot of attractive elements
there. There is a gate proposed that could lead them to the adjacent commercial
development and there is a little bit of a park space right there, where that driveway has
been closed off. And so that will provide may some amenity but it's not on site.
So again, as a special use permit, a good neighbor policy could be required, or a good
neighbor statement but it is a residential use, I didn't see where that was really necessary
for this particular activity. They did follow through with the citizen participation process.
Held a meeting. A couple of people attended from the adjacent development. They
didn't have any specific comments. Staff had not had any comments.
Will point out and I wish my clicker worked her, but we have approved special use
permits at the southeast corner, you can barely see it in the corner of the development for
Mr. Gurczack for his office downstairs and the residential use above. You also approved
a special use permit for -- just right on the edge of the map, there kind of in the middle
there's a two-story existing building. Several years ago approved a special use permit for
residential on the second floor of that building. So we've approved other residential uses
with special use permits in this development.
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We may have some more requests in the future, but those other two were different in that
they didn't have the mixed use component to them.
So with that comment and summary, proposed infill property, beneficial to get it
developed, see new activity happening here, have new buildings, kind of help spark other
development in the center. Residents, again, can provide support to the existing
businesses, so all that's good. Some design issues that staff has could be resolved as we
work in more detail on a site plan.
So staff can recommend approval if Commission feels that we can continue working out
that side issues.
CHAIRMAN GRAY: Commissioner? Vice Chair.
SCHLOSSBERG: A couple of quick questions. First of all, the elevations that we see,
I'm assuming those are incredibly vague because they want to just get an indication of
whether we're going to send this on. Is that whether --
WESLEY: Chairman, Vice Chairman, that's correct. They don't want to spend a whole
lot of time and effort on the details until they know they've got approval. But I think I
mention in the report that the applicant and developer here is the same one down at
Trevino and Saguaro. The 17 units there just north of MCO, and you probably don't
remember from looking at that a year or so ago, but we have a little more detail on those
elevations, it's going to be the same elevation.
SCHLOSSBERG: That's the same developer, you said?
WESLEY: Same developer, yes.
SCHLOSSBERG: It is? So another quick question, unrelated. We approved that and I
know they had an extension. Are they going ahead with that project?
WESLEY: Yes.
SCHLOSSBERG: Okay. And then, so the parking that's there is not going to be
available for this particular --
WESLEY: That's correct.
SCHLOSSBERG: Okay. All right. I mean basically, it's -- with the charter school
defunct and it's an ugly corner, I think this could be a nice enhancement.
GRAY: John, you have any concern with the -- that we went through the architectural
kind of -- where we got a advanced look at the architectural of the Gurczack
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Development. These two developments sufficiently far enough apart to where they don't'
need to influence each other?
WESLEY: I believe that's correct.
GRAY: Okay. Commissioner Watts?
WATTS: I think I've got three comments. One, it looks awfully, awfully tight. And I
think that if we can open it up a little bit, but I don't know if we can get that many units
on this property. Is the Trevino property as tight from your recollection? Because I don't'
remember that one.
WESLEY: It's tight but they didn't have room for some amenity area in that one. To
circulate -- they have the existing driveway that goes from Saguaro into the commercial
center. So it's mostly on the north side. There's one unit on the south side as you get to
the east. And they'd have a little bit more room.
WATTS: And I notice there's only three visitor parking spaces which seems to be a little
bit thin. And my biggest concerns is probably that the project is, at least because we
don't have elevations at this point. It really is the gateway to Fountain Hills from the Rio
Verde area and I don't know that it's all that appealing, without seeing elevation. So I
would not be supportive unless I could see the elevation, see exactly what it's going to
look like.
WESLEY: And Mr. Harr, I'm sure, will get up here in a moment. And he's got some
ideas that I think will be attractive, but we just haven't really seen them yet. But he can
maybe describe some of that for you.
WATTS: Okay. Thanks.
GRAY: So John, if overflow traffic gets forced off and I get by the numbers it works
with the three. Does that overflow, is there a spot for that to land on Glenbrook or
Fountain Hills Boulevard there?
WESLEY: Definitely not on Fountain Hills Boulevard. I'm not familiar enough with
that little section of Glenbrook east of Fountain Hills Boulevard to remember if that
would be possible.
GRAY: But the outside of the double garages, three is the required calc?
WESLEY: Correct.
GRAY: Okay. Commissioner Corey?
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COREY: I was just going to comment. I think I read in the agenda that this has been
underutilized property for 50 years. So that's pretty significant and I think getting
something over there will help reinvigorate this area. So I wanted to mention that. And
I'm looking at it, I do see, it looks like it's, kind of tight quarters around there, but I think
there's a lot more properties that are being designed this way. So when we talk about the
accommodations, the desirable living, different people feel different ways about them and
I think more people are finding that this is still desirable living. But I would agree that
we'd want to see the elevations and make sure that this is not just walls in the front but
there's some sort of street appeal for people coming in.
And then, just around changing the SUPs, we want to promote the mixed use. So while
this is all commercial, I think this would be a benefit to that area, is all.
GRAY: Commissioner Dempster?
DEMPSTER: Thank you. I'm hoping that with no amenities it keeps it affordable and
the prices down. I don't think every complex needs to have a big pool and we're finding a
lot of them are choosing not to heat them anymore and to keep costs down and such. So
that is not an issue for me. Talking about the gateway, I mean, on two of those corners
there are parking lots. So I mean, I would think that this would look better, a lot better
than a parking lot and there's room for some landscaping. So I'm not concerned with that.
And also I like the project. I don't know if it makes sense to just make it R-3 and have
nine units, if things don't fit. Or squish it and have the ten. But I like the project.
WATTS: I like the project too. And I think the R-3 may be more applicable. But it just
seems like there's five pounds in a one-pound bucket here. It's just awful tight. So the
elevations are -- the more I look at them, I can see how they work. 675 feet square feet
into one of the units and a 1,000. I like the 1,000. I don't' think I can live in 675 square
feet, but that's not me. So I think if we consider the R-3 -- it is R-3, isn't it?
WESLEY: It's currently C-C, I just showed that as an example of an alternative to the
SUP --
WATTS: Alternative to the nine units.
WESLEY: -- it would allow nine units. And I tend to agree. As we work on this at nine
units it's probably going to fit a little bit better.
WATTS: Right.
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WESLEY: But the applicant would really like ten if he can make it work.
WATTS: Ten's going to tough but it's -- but nine would be better. So that's mine.
GRAY: I think the -- Commissioner Dapaah?
DAPAAH: Yeah. I'm going to go along with the Vice Chair, too. That's just an ugly
corner there. I'd love to see this project materialize. But I want to see some more. I want
to see some more and the elevation and what the structure is going to look like. But yeah,
I'm willing to move forward with this.
GRAY: I think the applicant --
HARR: If I may?
GRAY: Of course. It's your application.
HARR: I'm chomping at the bit. If I may, we have a -- based on -- my name is -- please.
My name is Kirk Harr, I'm the applicant. And based on the, I think, the report that was
prepared, I put together this handout. And I can go through it page by page. Just a
couple of things, maybe some clarification is the units are actually. They're all three-
bedroom, two and a half baths, and all the bedrooms have their own private patios. It's
got the two-car garage. The smallest unit is 1,750 square feet. I think what you were
looking at was the downstairs versus the upstairs numbers. And then the largest units are
1,800 and some odd, square feet. So they're going to be beautiful homes.
I believe that the issues about the width of the road and the depth of the parking was a
misunderstanding between our designer and what John and I were talking about. There is
room to fix both of those issues.
But to go through this package just really quickly. Page 1 shows that existing park that's
in plat 206, that John had requested we put in a gate out of our property to that, which
we're happy to do. The biggest thing here, when we first purchased this property, we
assumed that we were in plat 206 and we are not. We are not in 206. So we have no
right to any parking lots or anything else. So this small piece of property, if you try to do
something with it and create all your own parking in the sense of a commercial, you can't
really do much with the property.
I'm a second generation home builder, my son is the third generation. I started building
in 1975. I built in four states over my lifetime and I think I'm at 47 years of building
homes. We built a little over 3,000 homes in that time. We built -- the majority of the
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homes we built were entry level homes in Washington State and we took pride in being
able to provide housing for a lot of people that wouldn't have had one if it weren't for us.
And that's kind of how we're feeling about these units. And it's states that they're an
apartment but the anticipation is that they're condos. And based on the economy, if the
interest rates come down and people can afford to take a mortgage that's what we'll do
with them. We will condo and sell them as condos. Until then we will probably rent
them out until we can sell them.
Our desire is to sell our homes and that's what we do. We build in Fountain Hills
currently, we build like a semi-custom home. We buy beautiful lots, beautiful views.
We build about a 3,000 square foot home with a triple or a four-car garage. People love
the homes that we build. But the prices have gone so much that they're not homes that a
lot of people can afford and that comes back to our roots, that we love affordable
housing.
Affordable is different in everybody's idea and in Fountain Hills right now, I would have
to defer to Dory Whitfield (ph.), our agent. But to get a home in Fountain Hills that is
anywhere near 1,700 square feet with a two-car garage, three and a half baths, new, I
don't think you can touch one for 8 or 900,000 around here. The older homes, most of
them are pre-2000 with all the things that come with older homes. Systems that are
outdated, don't work very well. Remodeling that has to be done. So I think there's going
to be a large demand for these just like for the 17 units we're building out at Saguaro and
Shea.
My experience building homes is to have that -- and I need to look, I don't have my notes
to look at the word that was a desirable living environment. Well, that's when we did --
when we designed these that's what we tried to do. I don't know anybody personally that
lives in their driveway. And so the front of the house, as long as you've got a driveway
and you've got some landscaping, that's wonderful. Where we put the space is in the
backyard. And every one of these has a private backyard. So you can have a dog, you
can have picnics, you can do whatever you want to do, which you can't do in an
apartment. You can't do in a lot of the affordable housing that's around here.
So anyway, that's the existing park, was the first page. The second page shows where --
you can see the curb and that kind of the park area, the fence and the sidewalk to the right
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is the entry into the existing parcel that we have. And which we will install a gate to.
The third picture shows an existing block and iron fence that's currently on site. We
anticipate that besides updating it, painting it, that's what we would like to be there so
that you're not just looking at a five or six foot tall painted block fence when you're
driving by the property.
The next page, we talked about the gateway and it doesn't sound like that's an issue here.
But we added this page and made red dots where there's a lot of places that -- if you want
to get a welcome to Fountain Hills feeling, those would be as good or better places to do
it. Then the next page just shows that -- where you see the corner of Glenbrook and north
Fountain Hills Boulevard, it says 290K, that's our property. In this whole plat 206 which
covers larger than a square block, there's three other buildings and one, actually two
houses. This is a fairly old aerial. And the rest of it is just all vacant because, like
everybody said it just -- there's more commercial here than were needed. I heard an
interesting fact that when Fountain Hills was designed, it was designed for 72,000 people
and it's currently 24,987. We just have too much commercial space.
And then the last page is the proposed exterior. This is what we plan on building at
Saguaro and Shea. Whether it's the same colors or not, we're not saying that. We're
probably wouldn't do it the same colors. But this is the front part that you would actually
see from inside the roadway. The rear, we didn't have a color photo that we could get to
today. But it also has -- it will have the fence on the outside, on the street side of
Fountain Hills Boulevard. It has backyard there. I don't know if the -- looking at the site,
it probably look like there probably 18 to 20 feet between the back of the house and the
fence, which is 5 or 7 feet off the sidewalk. So I mean there's good spacing. And then up
above, on the back, there's porches upstairs for the second and third bedrooms. They
have their own space outside, plus looking over onto the yard.
We can provide other draft elevations we have but right now on the project at Saguaro
and Shea, we are just trying to finalize our site plan. We hope to have that done in the
next couple of weeks and then we can submit for our building permits. So -- and my
understanding is, a lot of this process that we go through in the building permit stage,
both on that project and on this one, we'll redefine what the project is going to look like
and what makes it a good project. So I do believe that we can meet the intent of the code
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with road widths and parking. You'll notice looking at the picture, you see the reddish
part on that corner of Glenbrook and Fountain Hills Boulevard, that is sidewalk. We've
agreed to do quite a bit of landscaping on that whole frontage. A lot of trees, a lot of
bushes and whatever else we need to put in there to give it a nice statement other than just
a parking lot or some empty commercial sitting there.
If I can answer any other questions at this time, I'd be happy to.
GRAY: Commissioner Watts?
WATTS: Well, first I stand corrected. It's getting late and I'm read the wrong line. So I
understand what you're saying. And the elevations helped enormously. So they do look
very nice.
HARR: Thank you.
WATTS: And I think as long as -- I'm going to change my position, as long as you can
work it out with building department and be compliant with all of their requirements,
then I would be a supporter.
HARR: Thank you.
GRAY: Paula, do we have any speaker cards?
WOODWARD: No, Chairman.
GRAY: Okay. Commissioners, final discussion or a motion?
Commissioner Corey?
COREY: I'll make a motion. Motion to recommend approval of special use permit for
the ten apartments, three buildings on the parcel located at 16741 Glenbrook, southwest
corner of Glenbrook Boulevard, Fountain Hills Boulevard.
WATTS: Second.
GRAY: Commissioner Corey has recommended approval of the special use permit.
Commissioner Watts has seconded. Paula, let's do rollcall on this one.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Corey?
COREY: Aye.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Dapaah?
DAPAAH: Aye.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Dempster?
DEMPSTER: Aye.
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WOODWARD: Commissioner Watts?
DAPAAH: Aye.
WOODWARD: Vice Chairman Schlossberg?
SCHLOSSBERG: Aye.
WOODWARD: Chairman Gray?
GRAY: Aye.
WOODWARD: Six, zero.
GRAY: Could have done it the easy way. Just making sure everybody's awake.
WESLEY: No way.
GRAY: Do you need it tonight?
WESLEY: No.
GRAY: All right. Commission I'm going to make a motion that we postpone --
WESLEY: It can continue to your June meeting.
GRAY: -- postpone indefinitely to June. That we continue to the June venue agenda
item 9. Modifications for Chapter 6, sign regulations and zoning ordinance. However,
we will continue with agenda item 10, 11, and 12. All in favor?
ALL: Aye.
GRAY: Robert and his rules will like that motion, John.
Okay. Agenda item 9 -- no, sorry. 10. Commission discussion, request for research to
Mr. Wesley or Mr. Farhad.
WESLEY: Well --
GRAY: Oh, boy.
WATTS: I think tonight kind of gave us a vision of pandora's box so to speak. That all
the work we put together to put the community standards, community residences into
place, can be usurped by simply -- not necessarily the SUP but changing the code to
something else that may be by right. And I think that is problematic and I'd like to get
some input on it from you and staff as to did we leave a gaping loophole in something
that would come back to cause us a lot of angst?
WESLEY: Chairman, Commissioner Watts, I guess there's always that possibility that
we -- well, certainly there's always some gaps here and there, whatever. But the zoning
ordinance has in the multi-residence and commercial districts, a separate category for
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nursing homes, convalescent homes, and homes for the elderly. And the multi-residence
requires a special use permit, it's by right in the commercial districts. Again, it's what
Morning Side is. It's what Fountain Hills -- what am I trying to say?
WATTS: Fountain Dew Village.
WESLEY: Thank you. Fountain Dew Village is. This just happens to be a smaller
version of one of those larger ones, that's what they're applying for. And it's in really a
different category than a group home in a single family home.
WATTS: What does it suggest though that the existing facilities that had by right, they
didn't have to meet the current requirements, that they're going to come back to us and try
to increase by changing the zoning, by asking for an SUP that would change the zoning
to something else?
WESLEY: So an SUP is not a change in zone. The zoning district stays the same. I'd
have to look back at the map. I cannot recall any other ones that are in multi-use
residence zones. I believe all the other ones are in single residence zones which would
allow for the SUP for the nursing home or the convalescent home, or the home for the
aged, or home for the elderly.
WATTS: I just want to make sure that we didn't leave some loophole and if you could
check on that, that would be great.
GRAY: What was the underlying zoning of that?
WESLEY: R-3.
GRAY: R-3, right. Yeah, I had a similar disposition as Commissioner Watts. I thought
maybe we had unintentionally left a backdoor open by going outside of our definition and
saying well, if we just go one more then we can -- then we can come around through this
process. So -- okay.
Any other requests for research or discussion? Okay.
Agenda item 11, summary of Commission request from development services director?
WESLEY: My summary is that we're going to look at our community residences and our
nursing home regulations and see if we missed the boat in there with anything.
GRAY: And report?
WESLEY: And then report. I was waiting for the Commission to say the next number or
not. So we will obviously be following up in June to further our discussion of the signed
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ordinance. I will probably take a stab at some things without the input I might have
received this evening if we had had the time to review it. But other than that, we have a
couple of applications that are slowly working their way through the process. We're not
sure if we will any other applications for your June meeting. Where I'm going with that
though is thinking about July in particular. And are we having commissioners here or
should we be planning on not having one and kind of working with the applicants that are
kind of trying to move forward and let them know we're not going to have a July meeting
or an August meeting or whatever months again. I want to see again, just a kind of a
check or not --
GRAY: Yeah. Straw polling I will not be here in July.
COREY: And I will not be here in August.
DEMPSTER: I won't be here in August.
WATTS: I'm stuck here all summer.
GRAY: Yeah, we'll have to get a little closer to dial in, but it looks like July and August
will be -- we have a quorum, it sounds like, but if we didn't have one, it sounds like
maybe August is a little bit more of a challenge if we have two already not going to be
here in August. But we'll try to manage or caseload with those thing in mind. To at least
miss one of those two. Okay.
That's it. All right. We're adjourned. Thank you.
ITEM 5.
TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS
STAFF REPORT
Meeting Date: 06/12/2023 Meeting Type: Planning and Zoning Commission
Agenda Type: Submitting Department: Development Services
Prepared by: Farhad Tavassoli, Senior Planner
Staff Contact Information: Farhad Tavassoli, Senior Planner
Request to Planning and Zoning Commission (Agenda Language): CONSIDERATION AND
POSSIBLE ACTION: annual report on the implementation of the Fountain Hills General Plan 2020.
Staff Summary (Background)
Arizona Revised Statutes Section 9-461.07 A. 2. states that after the municipal legislative body has
adopted a general plan, the community’s planning agency shall render an annual report to the
legislative body on the status of the plan and progress in its application. The Town adopted its current
general plan on November 3, 2020. The previous annual report was presented before the Planning and
Zoning Commission on May 9, 2022, and was forwarded to Council on June 7, 2022.
The Fountain Hills General Plan 2020 includes the following requirement:
Each year, the Fountain Hills Development Services Department must prepare, and the Fountain Hills
Planning & Zoning Commission must review and submit to the Town Council an annual report on the
status of the General Plan progress. The report must include, but not be limited to, the following:
A summary of General Plan amendments processed during the preceding year and those pending
review, including General Plan amendments initiated by Town Council.
A report on the progress and status of implementation actions enumerated in the General Plan
Implementation Strategy.
A review of policy issues which may have arisen regarding provisions of the General Plan.
A recommendation for General Plan amendments to be initiated to maintain an effective,
up-to-date General Plan including policy changes, clarifications, and new policy development;
changes in character area; and other applicable changes. The recommendation may also include
suggestions to change implementation actions priorities, as Town’s priorities shift, as well as
General Plan amendments, if any, to be included in the work program for the following fiscal year.
Attached is a draft report for the Commission's review and consideration. Report content includes
status updates received from the lead departments for various goals and policies contained in the
general plan. Based on comments from the Commission, staff will either bring the report back for
further review or forward it to Council. The attached draft report includes a brief overview of actions
taken during the 2022 calendar year to implement provisions of the 2020 General Plan.
Related Ordinance, Policy or Guiding Principle
Fountain Hills General Plan 2020
Risk Analysis
N/A
Recommendation(s) by Board(s) or Commission(s)
N/A
Staff Recommendation(s)
Staff recommends forwarding the annual report to the Town Council.
SUGGESTED MOTION
MOVE to forward the General Plan Annual Report to the Town Council.
Attachments
2022 Annual Report
Fountain Hills
General Plan
Annual Report 2022
Background and Purpose
Arizona Revised Statutes Section 9-461.07 A. 2. states that after the municipal legislative body has
adopted a general plan, the community’s planning agency shall render an annual report to the legislative
body on the status of the plan and progress in its application.
The Town of Fountain Hills has adopted and implemented general plans in accordance with state
statutes since 2002. The Fountain Hills General Plan 2010 was adopted by the Council January 7, 2010
and was the guiding document for the Town until the voters ratified the 2020 General Plan on
November 3, 2020. This annual report summarizes the Town’s implementation efforts for the 2022
calendar year.
Fountain Hills General Plan 2020
The Fountain Hills General Plan 2020 was adopted by Council on May 19, 2020 and ratified by the voters
on November 3, 2020 as a long-term vision for local development. The Plan did not become official for
use by staff and the Town until it was ratified by the voters. Therefore, little actual implementation was
reported for 2020. This report, although also brief, discusses some implementation advances in 2021
and continued efforts going into the next several years.
Page 124 of the 2020 Plan includes direction regarding the annual report. It states:
Each year, the Fountain Hills Development Services Department must prepare, and the
Fountain Hills Planning & Zoning Commission must review and submit to the Town Council an
annual report on the status of the General Plan progress. The report must include, but not be
limited to, the following:
1. A summary of General Plan amendments processed during the preceding year and
those pending review, including General Plan amendments initiated by Town Council.
2. A report on the progress and status of implementation actions enumerated in the
General Plan Implementation Strategy.
3. A review of policy issues which may have arisen regarding provisions of the General
Plan.
4. A recommendation for General Plan amendments to be initiated to maintain an
effective, up-to-date General Plan including: policy changes, clarifications, and new
policy development; changes in character area; and other applicable changes. The
recommendation may also include suggestions to change implementation actions
priorities, as Town’s priorities shift, as well as General Plan amendments, if any, to be
included in the work program for the following fiscal year.
Summary of General Plan Amendments
No amendments were processed in 2022.
Progress on Implementation Actions
This section briefly highlights progress and implementation actions as they relate to each of the eight
general plan Elements and their respective goals and policies. Each goal and policy identifies an
anticipated time frame for completion. The most immediate goals were to be initiated no later than six
months after ratification by the voters. Due to a number of factors attributed to extended vacancies in
various departments and logistical challenges, most of the immediate and short-range implementation
efforts have been delayed and carried over into the 2023 calendar year. However, there is considerable
progress to report on a number of fronts.
Thriving Neighborhoods Element
• The Town completed 390 lane miles of street sweeping & 290 square yards of preservative
treatment. (Goal 1, Policy 1)
• The Economic Development department is utilizing visitor analysis software to identify various trade
areas in the Town. (Goal 2)
• The Public Art Committee and Fountain Hills Chamber held a ribbon cutting for “Invert” sculpture at
the Havenly development on the Avenue. A public art piece known as “Moviment Organico” was
also installed at Casas del Lago. Public art for the Motor Vault development was approved by Town
Council in November 2022. (Goal 2, Policy 7)
• The Farmer’s Market has seen an increase with over 50 vendors including fresh produce, healthy
eating options, and local food trucks. (Goal 4, Policy 7)
• Community Garden donations to the local food pantry and healthy cooking classes. Partnership with
middle school to create a garden on site. Preparations for the relocation of the community garden is
underway for future construction of the Dark Sky Discovery Center. (Goal 4, Policy 7)
• Casas Del Lago and Gunsight apartments were completed, adding to the diversity of housing
opportunities. (Goal 1, Policy 2).
• Community relations continues to provide communications support for Public Works and various
departments. Communications and outreach include articles in the quarterly-issued Fountain Hills
Insider, media relations, and community engagement as necessary. (Goal 1, Policy 1)
• Zoning ordinance text amendments were approved to limit community residences to 8 residents.
(Goal 4, Policy 1)
• A zoning ordinance text amendment was approved to provide additional standards for guest homes
and second kitchens for single family residences. (Goal 4, Policy 1)
Great Places Element
• Businesses created a merchant association (The Avenue Merchant Association) along the Avenue to
increase commercial activity. The Town is in the process of creating a new Town-wide brand. (Goal
4, Policy 1-2)
• The MAG Regional Bike Map was amended to add the FHB Lanes. No Trespassing signs were
installed at Town-owned washes. Initiated 515 Express Bus Service, Park & Ride. (Goal 1, Policies 7-
13)
• Electric Vehicle Charging Stations were installed at Community Center and Fountain Park. (Goal 1,
Policies 7-13)
• The Town is currently designing a traffic signal for the intersection of Palisades and Palomino. (Goal
1, Policies 7-13)
• Utilities are part of the review process. EPCOR & the FHSD are looking into their 15/20year horizons
based on plant capacity. Initiated intersection analysis @FHB/Palisades. (Goal 1, Policy 14)
• Deployed mobile speed trailer consistently to provide speed & volume data and response to speed
complaints throughout the Town. (Goal 1, Policy 5)
• Installation of rumble strips, LED stop signs & continental crosswalk striping@ AOTF/ Saguaro. (Goal
1, Policy 5)
• Desert Vista RRFB/ Crosswalk Developer construction AOTF RRFB Crosswalk (Goal 1, Policy 5)
• Engaged an engineering firm to secure parking studies (Goal 4, Policy 5)
• Community relations provides communications support for all departments involved in the design
review process. Support includes written articles, media relations and support for any community
meetings. (Goal 1, 7-13)
Social Environment Element
• The Town of Fountain Hills Community Services Department was awarded the prestigious Grand
Plaque in the 2022 National Gold Medal Awards for Excellence in Park and Recreation Management
at the National Recreation and Park Association (NRPA) annual conference in September 2022. (Goal
1, Policy 1)
• The new Splash Pad and Playground were installed at Fountain Park in Spring 2022. (Goal 1, Policy 1)
• McDowell Mountain Preservation Master Plan was approved in May 2022. (Goal 1, Policy 1)
• The sidewalk infill project has provided residents with connectivity from Shea to Tower Road for
better access to shopping and Desert Vista Park. (Goal 3, Policies 1-6)
• Community Services Master Plan provided significant feedback from residents through survey
results on areas. (Goal 4, 1-4)
• Constructed the Fountain Hills Blvd. shoulder pavement and completed bike lane. (Goal 3, Policies 1-
6)
• Installed multi-use path in Four Peaks Park & Desert Vista Park. (Goal 3, Policies 1-6)
• Council adopted Active Transportation Plan Initiated an update to the long-range sidewalk plan
(Goal 3, Policies 1-6)
Connectivity, Access and Mobility Element
• The Sidewalk Infill project gave pedestrians safe access to a walking path from Shea Blvd to Desert
Vista Park. Continued work to fill in sidewalk gaps giving pedestrians access to shopping. (Goal 3,
Policy 6)
Natural Resources and Open Space Element
• McDowell Mountain Preservation Commission revised its Trail Master Plan adding guidelines for
new trails. (Goal 3, Policy 1)
• The North Leg Trail was approved by Town Council. (Goal 3, Policy 1)
• Trailhead rules and maps were updated and installed in kiosks. (Goal 3, Policy 2)
Economic Development Element
• The Town hosted an Economic Development Summit and is working on additional stakeholder
feedback to assist in the creation of a Community Economic Development Strategy. (Goal 1, Policies
1, 3-4)
• Working with Arizona Office of Tourism, Fort McDowell Yavapai Nation and Salt River Pima
Maricopa Indian Community on grant opportunities. (Goal 4, Policy 1)
Cost of Development Element
• The Development Services department utilizes the Town Online Planning and Permitting System
(TOPPS) to provide a streamlined design review process for development and redevelopment of the
Town Center, Commerce Center, Saguaro Blvd and Shea Character Areas. (Goal 4, Policy 1)
Policy Issues
There are no specific policy issues at this time regarding the provisions of the General Plan. As we enter
into the third year of implementation, more issues are likely to arise. It is likely that a number of
immediate and short-range implementation actions need to be reevaluated in 2023, as many of them
have fallen outside of the expected time frame for completion. A number of factors have impacted its
implementation progress, including the pandemic, staff turnover and vacancies in various departments
as well as logistical challenges. The calendar year 2023 is an opportunity for staff to study the changing
needs of the Town and identify opportunities and constraints that will better inform the Town’s policy
direction.
Recommendations for Amendments
No revisions to the General Plan are recommended at this time.
ITEM 6.
TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS
STAFF REPORT
Meeting Date: 06/12/2023 Meeting Type: Planning and Zoning Commission
Agenda Type: Submitting Department: Development Services
Prepared by: John Wesley, Development Services Director
Staff Contact Information: John Wesley, Development Services Director
Request to Planning and Zoning Commission (Agenda Language): PUBLIC HEARING,
CONSIDERATION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION: Ordinance 23-04, repealing and replacing Zoning
Ordinance Chapter 6, Sign Regulations.
Staff Summary (Background)
The Town Council has expressed some concerns with several existing provisions in Chapter 6, Sign
Regulations, of the Zoning Ordinance. The Council has provided some areas of concern they would like
the Planning and Zoning Commission to review and consider for amendments. The Planning and Zoning
Commission reviewed a summary of possible amendments and provided feedback to staff at a public
hearing on April 10, 2023.
Based on the input received thus far, attached is a copy of Chapter 6 of the Zoning Ordinance with strike
through showing possible amendments. The report below provides discussion regarding each of the
possible amendments.
A unique feature to Fountain Hills is the high number of condominium developments. These include
both residential and commercial properties. The condominiums can range from two units on a lot to
developments with around 100 individual units on a property. Our sign regulations are written with
standard property ownership in mind and allow many types of signs based on the lot or property. These
regulations may not work as well with multiple unit owners on one property. For example, Post and
Board signs are allowed at one per street front for a property. This works fine for typical property
ownership situations, but when the property is occupied by multiple unit owners of condominiums,
there can be a need for more signs to advertise units for sale on the property. If both units in a two-unit
condominium are for sale at the same time, only one Post and Board sign could be displayed on the lot
under the existing ordinance (unless it was a corner lot). Staff has added language to the draft
ordinance for Post and Board signs and Yard signs that was not previously discussed in an effort to
address this issue.
Section 6.01 Introduction
No proposed changes
Section 6.02 Definitions
It was noted that citizens and business owners who may look through the sign ordinance for
information regarding what signs they can use may read the definitions in Section 6.02 and think they
have all the information they need regarding that type of sign. It was suggested that a reference be
added to the location for additional, specific information on each sign type. This proposed change
provides this reference where needed.
Section 6.03 Building Permits - Fees
Section 6.03 B provides some exemptions to the requirement for a building permit for some signs.
Included in this list is 5, Temporary signs, except banner signs. This would indicate that banner signs
require a building permit. This is not correct, these signs require an Administrative Temporary Use
Permit. To make the ordinance more clear, the "except banner signs" language is being deleted.
Section 6.04 Violations and Penalty
No proposed changes
Section 6.05 Enforcement and Remedies
No proposed changes
Section 6.06 Sign Plans
No proposed changes
Section 6.07 General Regulations
Section 6.07 B addresses locations where signs are and are not allowed. 6.07 B 1 primarily makes the
requirement that all signs are to be on the property for which the business, activity, commodity, service,
product, or event takes place. This provision prohibits off-site signs; the adjacent right of way (ROW) is
considered off-site. Proposed modifications to this section are for increased clarification as we make
other changes allowing temporary signs in the ROW.
Section 6.07 B 2 provides locations where signs are not allowed. The language in this section can seem
overly complicated. It was suggested we find some way to simplify and clarify this language. To address
this, staff is proposing to put the items in the list into groups.
One of the challenges we have had with the current ordinance is the disconnect between our ordinance
allowances and what state statutes allow in the right of way for elections. To reduce this conflict, staff
has included some changes to Section 6.07 B 2 a to clarify that signs will be allowed in the right of way
during elections as allowed by the state statutes. Note that this will not limit the sign messages in any
way during these election seasons.
The proposed changes in the ordinance for temporary signs would start to allow some temporary signs
within the Shea Boulevard right-of-way. Section 6.07 B 2 c contains this modification. When considering
the subsequent modifications that would allow temporary signs within this right-of-way, staff wants to
ensure the Commission is aware of the reasons and concerns which created the existing prohibition.
One reason for the prohibition has been aesthetic. Shea is a primary arterial through Town. It is
currently a very scenic roadway and there has been a concern about detracting from the beauty of the
Town with these signs. The other issue has to do with safety. Temporary signs placed close to the
street edge are subject to being blown into the street creating a traffic hazard. Temporary signs are
small and the message conveyed on them is often done with small letters. This makes it difficult to read
the sign at high speeds which could create traffic issues if someone is trying to read the sign rather than
the sign at high speeds which could create traffic issues if someone is trying to read the sign rather than
watch the road. There is also a concern for the safety of individuals who place and pick up the signs
along a busy roadway.
Section 6.07 E lists prohibited signs. Staff is proposing a couple of housekeeping modifications to items
8 and 9 for consistency with other parts of this chapter. The phrase at the end of item 12 is being
eliminated because there are no instances in the ordinance that allows someone to place a sign on
someone else's property without their permission.
Section 6.08 Sign Requirements and Allowances
Section 6.08 A 1 provides the standards and allowances for A-frame and T-Frame signs. These signs are
currently allowed in commercial and industrial districts and as residential directional signs. Several
amendments are proposed for this section and include:
Sections 6.08 A 1 b and c establish the size/height and number of A-frame signs allowed. These
sections have been amended to allow a business to use two signs when they have two or more
public entries. The maximum area of any one sign is 6 sq. ft. and the maximum aggregate area for
two signs would be 9 sq. ft.
Section 6.08 A 1 d provides the places A-frame signs may be located. This section is being
amended to allow them in the right-of-way in commercially and industrially zoned areas,
including along Shea Boulevard. In some cases, placing a sign immediately adjacent to the
property containing the business may not provide the most effective location for the sign. The
proposed ordinance allows the signs to be placed up to 130 feet from the property line along the
street frontage for the lot containing the business in commercially zoned areas and up to 1,250' in
areas with industrial zoning. This section is also amended to:
Allow signs to be place on a sidewalk in the Town Center Pedestrian area;
Reduce the minimum clearance around a sign from 6' to 4';
Reduce the distance from curb or edge of pavement from 3' to 2'; and,
Require signs placed in the right of way be removed between the hours of official sunset
and official sunrise.
The requirement that landscaping cannot be modified or damaged to accommodate a sign was
moved to Section 6.08 A 1 e.
Section 6.08 A 4 provides the standards and allowances for banner signs. These signs are only allowed
for nonresidential uses in residential zoning districts and in commercial and industrial zoning
districts. Proposed amendments to this section are in 6.08 A 4 e iii regarding the length of time a banner
sign can be displayed. The previous discussion had been to increase the allowance from 30 to 90 days a
calendar year with the ability for non-residential uses in residential districts to receive a "seasonal
waiver" for additional time. There was significant discussion regarding how this would be
implemented. Staff has also recognized that if the same nonresidential use were in a non-residential
zoning district (e.g. a church), they would not be able to apply for the "seasonal waiver." To address the
issues and achieve the desired outcome, the proposed ordinance changes are:
Increase the base allowance from 30 days per calendar year to 120 with a maximum of 30 days at
one time.
Retain the current ordinance allowance for a temporary use permit for an activity that needs
more time.
Allow new businesses, as documented through a business license, to have a permit for up to one
year. The sign would need to comply with maintenance provisions and could be changed out up
to four times during the year.
Section 6.08 A 12 provides the standards for post and board signs. While these signs could contain any
message, they are usually associated with For Sale signs. The current ordinance has limited the
placement of these signs in the public right of way. Because the goal of the signs is often to help a
motorist find a property that is for sale or lease, it is helpful for them to be readily visible from the
street. Therefore, placement near the street is desirable. The proposed change to this section is in 6.08
A 12 d ii which has been amended to allow post and board signs in all zoning districts within the right of
way adjacent to the property as close as two feet from the edge of pavement.
In addition to the change previously discussed, staff has added language to 6.08 A 12 c regarding the
number of allowed Post and Board signs. This addition was made to address the concerns for
multi-family developments, particularly condominiums. When there are multiple units and possibly
multiple owners on one property, there can be a need for more than one Post and Board sign. Again,
please note, staff will not be able to control the message and abuses could happen. The proposed new
provisions are:
In single-residence districts or uses, one (1) sign per property per street front.i.
In multiple-residence districts or uses:
One (1) to five (5) dwelling units on a property, one (1) sign per property or
condominium unit
a.
Six (6) or more dwelling units on a property, two signs per property per street frontb.
Non-residential use, one (1) sign per property per street frontc.
ii.
In commercial or industrial districts, one (1) sign per property or condominium unitiii.
Section 6.08 A 17 provides the standards and allowances for yard signs. The current ordinance allows
one such sign per lot in all zoning districts. The proposed changes are in 6.08 A 17 c and d to allow more
signs and more flexibility in the placement of this sign type. The proposed language has been drafted to
recognize issues that may arise in multi-family, particularly condominium, situations.
Change the number allowed from one per lot to:
i. In single-residence districts or uses, two (2) signs per property.
ii. In multiple-residence districts:
One (1) to five (5) dwelling units on a property, two (2) signs per property or condominium
unit
a.
Six (6) or more dwelling units on a property, two signs per property or condominium unitb.
Non-residential use, two (2) signs per propertyc.
iii. In commercial or industrial districts, one sign per business
Change the location allowances to:
Clarify allowance on a lot
Not allowed in the ROW in residential areas, except as allowed for directional signs
Allowed in the ROW adjacent to a business in commercial and industrial zones, except on
Shea
Section 6.08 B provides the standards and allowances for electronic message centers. Several changes
were suggested, including prohibiting any additional signs. Any changes approved will apply to any new
signs, not to the existing signs. The proposed changes are to 6.08 B 5 and 6 to address when an
electronic message sign may be illuminated.
Remove the requirement that the signs display a static message when the business is closed.
Amend the nighttime allowance to require this signs to be turned off from 10:00 pm to 6:00 am.
There was also discussion from several of the Council members about amending the code to no longer
allow electronic message signs. There were concerns about the proliferation of these signs and how
they may impact the image and appearance of the Town. There was also discussion regarding the
impact on dark skies.
One issue we would have to resolve is whether the prohibition would include electronic fuel price
signs. If it does not, we would have to craft a non-content based way allow the fuel signs while
disallowing other types of electronic message centers. The first thought is that this would be
based on size, e.g. electronic message centers 1' X 2' or smaller in size are still allowed.
If the Commission directs staff to prepare this change to the ordinance, the ordinance
modifications will likely include:
Moving the allowance for these signs to Sec. 6.07 C, Nonconforming Signs.
Adding electronic message centers to the list of prohibited signs in Section 6.07 E.
Section 6.08 C 1 provides some limitations on the total, aggregate amount of temporary signs that can
be used at one time with an occupancy. This was included in the sign ordinance due to concerns by staff
that property owners and businesses may take advantage of each of the temporary sign types allowed
and create too much clutter. It was also envisioned that this would keep multiple signs in a group
commercial center from becoming too clustered to be readable. In practice staff has not seen this issue
develop and has determined that the chart as presented does not work as intended. Therefore, it is
proposed that the existing Table 6.08 (C)
Section 6.08 D provides some regulations for additional signage in residential areas to allow for
directional signage to events that may occur in these areas. The proposed changes increase the number
of signs that can be used off-site from three to five, allows use of the Town right of way every day of the
week, and allows the signs to two feet from the edge of pavement rather than three feet.
Related Ordinance, Policy or Guiding Principle
Zoning Ordinance, Chapter 6, Sign Regulations
Risk Analysis
N/A
Recommendation(s) by Board(s) or Commission(s)
N/A
Staff Recommendation(s)
Staff is comfortable with all the modifications in the attached ordinance and could support a
Staff is comfortable with all the modifications in the attached ordinance and could support a
recommendation for approval to the Council. However, there was a lot of discussion at the previous
Commission hearing so staff will continue to listen to the direction of the Commission and support any
further modifications as directed.
SUGGESTED MOTION
Move to approve Ordinance 23-04, amending Zoning Ordinance, Chapter 6, Sign Regulations.
Attachments
Draft Ordinance
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
Chapter 6
Sign Regulations
Section 6.01 Introduction
The regulations set forth in this Chapter are intended to encourage attractive signage for businesses and
services, optimize the availability of information, and promote the general welfare by creating a more
aesthetically appealing community.
A. Findings and Purpose.
1. Findings. Signs can obstruct views, distract motorists, obstruct pedestrians or vehicular traffic flow,
create safety hazards, create aesthetic blight and visual clutter, and pose other problems that legitimately
call for regulation.
2. Purpose. The purpose of this Chapter is to regulate the size, illumination, movement or appearance of
movement, materials, location, height, and condition of all signs, as defined herein, and to allow and
promote sign communication in a manner that:
a. Preserves and protects public health, safety, and welfare within the Town of Fountain Hills;
b. Assures the use of a variety of sign forms designed to be sensitive to the context of the location,
as a reasonable method of visual communication between groups and individuals;
c. Enhances the flow of traffic and the convenience, ease, and enjoyment of travel within the Town
of Fountain Hills;
d. Restricts circumstances that otherwise may result in injury or damage because of distractions, or
obstructions of vision attributable to sign placement or size, or to the illumination of signs that may
become a source of undue glare, distraction, or light pollution;
e. Avoids visual clutter that may contribute to traffic accidents or be harmful to vehicular traffic or
pedestrian safety;
f. Promotes the aesthetic and environmental values of the community by providing for signs that do
not impair dark skies, property values, business opportunities, community appearance, or the
attractiveness of the Town as a place to visit, live, work, and shop;
g. Allows signs that are appropriate in scale to the zoning district in which they are located;
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
h. Provides for signs as an effective channel of communication, while ensuring that sign forms are
aesthetically designed and proportioned in relation to adjacent structures on the same lot or
development site, and that are compatible with their surroundings;
i. Promotes the effectiveness of signs by preventing their overconcentration, improper placement,
deterioration, and excessive size and number; and
j. Supports and enhances commerce within the Town.
B. Applicability.
1. Subject of This Chapter. All signs as defined in this Chapter are subject to the provisions of this
Chapter as it pertains to:
a. The allowance of signs (principally the number, form, material, size, and structure of signs);
b. The review and consideration of sign plans and permits;
c. The entitlement and issuance of permits;
d. The location and placement of signs on all buildings, structures, and land;
e. The integration of the design of signs with associated building architecture; and
f. The maintenance of signs.
2. The provisions of this Chapter do not apply to the following:
a. Address numbers as required by the Fire Code;
b. Government signs;
c. Traffic control signs, markings, devices;
d. Signs authorized or required by Arizona Revised Statutes;
e. Public transportation signs; and
f. Signs specified as mandatory by any provision of the Fountain Hills Town Code.
3. Most Restrictive Provision Applies. Except when otherwise authorized by a Special Use Permit,
Temporary Use Permit, or variance, the most restrictive provision shall prevail in cases in which two or
more provisions of this Chapter appear to conflict.
4. Controlling Document. This Chapter is not intended to repeal, abrogate, annul, or in any way impair
or interfere with other Town provisions, allowances, or ordinances, except those specifically repealed by
the ordinance codified in this Chapter. Where this Chapter imposes a greater restriction on a sign than is
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
imposed or required by other Fountain Hills Town Codes, provisions, allowances, or ordinances, the
provisions of this Chapter control.
5. Definitions Used. Definitions for specific terms used in this Chapter are principally found in Section
6.02. Additional definitions are also provided in Chapter 1 of the Zoning Ordinance and in the Fountain
Hills Town Code. Definitions not included in this Chapter, the Zoning Ordinance, or the Town Code
should be given their plain and ordinary meaning where possible.
6. Effect on Previously Approved Sign Permits and Comprehensive Sign Plans. All sign permits and
comprehensive sign plans approved and in effect prior to the effective date of the ordinance codified in
this Chapter shall remain in effect. Signs authorized by such comprehensive sign plans shall be developed
in accordance with the standards specified by that sign plan and any applicable conditions or stipulations
associated with the approval of that sign plan. The development standards and requirements of this
Chapter apply if not specifically modified by the applicable adopted sign plan. The Zoning Administrator
may approve minor modifications to approved plans regarding design, height, number, or sign area that
do not exceed the maximum(s) allowed by this Chapter.
C. Repeal and Severability.
1. If any section, subsection, paragraph, sentence, clause, or phrase of this Chapter is for any reason held
to be invalid or unconstitutional by the decision of any court of competent jurisdiction, such decision shall
not affect the validity of the remaining portions of this Chapter. The Town of Fountain Hills hereby
declares that it would have passed the ordinance codified in this Chapter, and each section, subsection,
sentence, clause, and phrase thereof, regardless whether any or one or more sections, subsections,
sentences, clauses, or phrases be declared invalid or unconstitutional.
2. Effect on Previous Proceedings. Nothing contained in this Chapter affects rights and duties that
matured, penalties that were incurred, and proceedings that began before its effective date,
notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (C)(1) of this section.
D. Consent of Property Owner Required. Unless otherwise permitted, no person shall construct, place,
display, or maintain any sign without the written consent of the property owner, the property owner’s agent, or
an authorized representative.
E. Noncommercial Message Substitutions Allowed. Notwithstanding any other provisions of this Chapter to
the contrary, any noncommercial message may be substituted for the message placed on any sign permitted by
this Chapter.
F. Responsible Party.
1. Posting Sign. The person, group, or organization directing the posting, installation, or erection of a
sign is responsible for assuring the compliance of the sign with the requirements of this Chapter. This
includes the placement, removal, maintenance, replacement, or alteration of the sign, as may be
applicable.
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
2. Owner or Occupant. If the person directing the posting, installation, or erection of the sign does not
remove, maintain, replace, or alter the sign in accordance with the requirements of this Chapter, then the
property owner or occupant of the building where the sign is posted is responsible for either replacing the
sign with a sign that complies with this Chapter or removing the sign. (21-09, Amended, 05/18/2021, Deleted
and replaced)
Section 6.02 Definitions
“A-frame” or “T-frame” means a self-supporting, temporary, lightweight, portable sign made of durable,
nonpliant material such as wood, sheet metal, or plastic that is designed to rest atop the ground without
penetrating the ground (See Sec. 6.08 A 1 for allowances and standards).
“Awning” or “canopy” means a permanent sign that is applied to, placed on, affixed to, or painted on an
awning or canopy (See Sec. 6.08 A 2 for allowances and standards).
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
“Balloon” means a temporary sign professionally made from a bag or similar flexible, nonrigid enclosure that
holds gas or air and is attached by a tether to a fixed place (See Sec. 6.08 A 3 for allowances and standards).
“Banner sign” means a temporary sign made of canvas, plastic, vinyl, or other pliable material attached to a
wall, frame, stakes, or other support structure by at least the four corners of the banner (See Sec. 6.08 A 4 for
allowances and standards).
“Building wall sign” means a permanent sign mounted flat against or painted on the wall of a building with the
exposed face of the sign in a plane parallel to the face of the wall (See Sec. 6.08 A 5 for allowances and
standards).
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
“Drive-through sign” means a permanent, freestanding sign adjacent to a drive-through, typically placed in or
near an area where orders are taken from occupants of a vehicle (See Sec. 6.08 A 6 for allowances and
standards).
“Electronic message centers” means a permanent sign that is capable of displaying alternating, variable, or
changeable copy that is electronically changed by remote or automatic means (See Sec. 6.08 B for allowances
and standards).
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
“Feather or flag banner” means a temporary sign made of fabric or vinyl attached to a pole on one side. (This
sign type is prohibited, see Sec. 6.07 E 9.)
“Flag” means a fabric sheet of square, rectangular, or triangular shape that is designed to be mounted by a
cable or rope to a pole at one end (see Sec. 6.08 A 7 for allowances and standards).
“Freestanding wall/fence sign” means a permanent sign that is applied to, placed on, affixed to, or painted on a
wall or fence that is not part of the building(s) on the property (see Sec. 6.08 A 8 for allowances and
standards).
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
“Hanging or under-canopy sign” means a permanent sign suspended from and located entirely under a covered
porch, covered walkway, awning, or canopy (see Sec. 6.08 A 9 for allowances and standards).
“Monument sign” means a permanent sign mounted on or incorporated into a solid, self-supporting base that is
not part of a building or wall (see Sec. 6.08 A 10 for allowances and standards).
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
“Off-site sign” means a sign portraying information or directing attention to a business, activity, commodity,
service, product, or event that is not conducted, sold, or offered on the premises upon which the sign is located.
Includes signs commonly referred to as “billboards.”
“On-site directional sign” means a small permanent sign located adjacent to a driveway or drive aisle (see Sec.
6.08 A 11 for allowances and standards).
“Permanent sign” means a sign made of durable material that is intended to be and is constructed in a manner
that is permanent. Such a sign may be either attached or anchored to a building or wall or have its own
foundation and structural supports. When detached from a building, permanent sign structures are constructed
of durable materials such as brick, stone, metal, concrete, or related materials.
“Post and board sign” means a temporary sign constructed of plywood, sheet metal, thick plastic, or similar
material attached to one or two posts fixed in the ground (see Sec. 6.08 A 12 for allowances and standards).
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
“Projecting sign” means a permanent sign attached to a building in a manner such that its face is not parallel to
the building to which it is attached (see Sec. 6.08 A 13 for allowances and standards).
“Residential directional sign” means A-frame, T-frame, or yard signs used to direct traffic to a home (see Sec.
6.08 D for allowances and standards).
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
“Roof sign” means a sign affixed on, above, or over the roof of a building so that it projects above the roofline.
The top of a parapet wall shall be considered the roofline. The highest point of a mansard roof shall be
considered the roofline. Where a parapet wall is combined with a mansard roof, the roofline shall be the top of
the parapet.
“Sign” means any device placed to attract attention by providing identification, advertising or directional
information for a business, service, product, person, organization, place, or building when the display of this
device is visible beyond the boundaries of the public or private property upon which the display is made.
Included in this definition are graphic devices such as logos and attention-attracting items such as banners or
logo sculptures.
“Sign copy” means the letters, numerals, figures, symbols, illustrations, logos, and graphic characters used to
make up the sign message.
“Temporary sign” means a sign constructed of fabric, canvas, vinyl, foam-core, plywood, sheet metal, or
plastic that is neither permanently installed in the ground nor permanently affixed to a building or structure and
that is intended to serve a short-term or temporary condition. Temporary signs include signs resting atop the
ground, or affixed to the ground by a temporary anchoring system, including, but not limited to, stakes,
ballasts, or by being embedded in the ground (for large temporary signs).
“Town Center pedestrian area” is designated as shown in the figure below.
TOWN CENTER PEDESTRIAN AREA
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“Vehicle sign” means a sign painted, attached, or affixed to a trailer, watercraft, truck, automobile, or other
form of motor vehicle (see Sec. 6.08 A 15 for allowances and standards).
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“Window sign” means any poster, cut-out letters, painted text or graphics, or other text or visual presentation
affixed to, or located within six (6) feet behind, a window pane and placed to be read from the exterior of a
building. Such signs may be permanent or temporary (see Sec. 6.08 A 16 for allowances and standards).
“Yard sign” means an easily portable temporary sign up to six (6) square feet in size that can be implanted in
the ground without use of tools (see Sec. 6.08 A 17 for allowances and standards).
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(21-13, Amended, 11/02/2021; 21-09, Amended, 05/18/2021, Deleted and replaced)
Section 6.03 Building Permits – Fees
A. Except as provided herein, it shall be unlawful to erect, install and/or modify any permanent sign within
the Town without first applying for and obtaining a building permit from the Development Services
Department. “Modify,” as it is used herein, shall mean any change to:
1. The size or shape of an existing sign;
2. Electrical components;
3. Design; and/or
4. Supporting structures.
B. A building permit shall not be required for the following activities or types of signs; provided, however,
that such signs shall be subject to any and all applicable provisions of this Chapter, including Zoning
Administrator approval when required:
1. Street address numbers.
2. Any sign four (4) square feet or less in area not otherwise prohibited by this Chapter.
3. Repainting.
4. Minor, nonstructural repairs to signs or sign supports.
5. Temporary signs, except banner signs.
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6. Window signs.
7. Changes to a sign panel or copy on an existing sign.
C. Failure to conform to the conditions of a building permit, including any conditions and/or stipulations
attached thereto by the Town Council and/or Board of Adjustment, shall render such permit void.
D. Fees for building permits shall be required and payable in such sums as the Town Council may from time
to time establish as part of the Town’s annual budget or by separate resolution.
E. A building permit for a sign does not include electrical work (a separate building permit application is
needed for electrical work); however, this exemption shall not be deemed to grant authorization for any work
to be done in violation of the provisions of the Fountain Hills Town Code or any other laws or ordinances.
F. Building permit applications for signs shall include sufficient information regarding the size of the
property, the building, and the tenant occupancy; the dimensions and size of each sign; sign height and
location; lighting, including information needed to determine compliance with Chapter 8, Outdoor Lighting
Control, of the Zoning Ordinance; materials used; and other pertinent information as needed to evaluate the
proposed sign for compliance with this Chapter. (21-09, Amended, 05/18/2021, Deleted and replaced)
Section 6.04 Violations and Penalty
A. Any of the following shall be a violation of this Chapter and shall be subject to the enforcement remedies
and penalties provided by the Town of Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance, and by state law, as applicable:
1. To install, create, erect or maintain any sign in a way that is inconsistent with any plan or permit
governing such sign or the zone within which the sign is located.
2. To install, create, erect or maintain any sign requiring a permit without such a permit.
3. To fail to remove any sign that is installed, created, erected or maintained in violation of this Chapter,
or for which the building permit has lapsed.
B. If any such violation is continued, then each day of a continued violation shall be considered a separate
violation when applying the penalty provisions set forth below.
C. The violations set forth in this section are declared to be civil in nature. The responsible parties for
enforcement purposes are:
1. The owner or operator of the business identified on the sign; and
2. The owner of the property to which the sign is directing pedestrian or vehicular traffic.
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D. Enforcement of violations of this Chapter shall be made through the use of the civil citation process set
forth in Section 1-8-3 of the Town Code. Fines may be assessed according to the following schedule:
1. First offense, fine not to exceed $50.00 and confiscation of sign(s).
2. Second offense within twelve (12) calendar months of first offense, fine not to exceed $100.00 and
confiscation of sign(s).
3. All subsequent violations within twelve (12) calendar months of the first offense, fine not to exceed
$250.00 and confiscation of sign(s). (21-09, Amended, 05/18/2021, Deleted and replaced)
Section 6.05 Enforcement and Remedies
A. Any violation or attempted violation of this Chapter or of any condition or requirement adopted pursuant
hereto may be restrained, corrected or abated, as the case may be, by injunction or other appropriate
proceedings pursuant to state law. A violation of this Chapter shall be considered a violation of the Zoning
Ordinance. The remedies of the Town shall include, but are not limited to, the following:
1. Issuing a civil citation for the violation;
2. Issuing a stop-work order for any and all work on any signs on the same lot;
3. Confiscation of sign(s);
4. Seeking an injunction or other order of restraint or abatement that requires the removal of the sign(s)
or the correction of the nonconformity;
5. Imposing any penalties that can be imposed directly by the Town under the Zoning Ordinance;
6. Seeking in court the imposition of any penalties that can be imposed by such court under the Zoning
Ordinance; and
7. In the case of a sign that poses an immediate danger to the public health or safety, the Town may take
such measures as are available under the applicable provisions of the Zoning Ordinance and Building
Code for such circumstances.
8. The Town shall have such other remedies as are and as may from time to time be provided for or
allowed by state law for the violation of the Zoning Ordinance.
B. All such remedies provided herein shall be cumulative. To the extent that state law may limit the
availability of a particular remedy set forth herein for a certain violation or a part thereof, such remedy shall
remain available for other violations or other parts of the same violation. (21-09, Amended, 05/18/2021, Deleted and
replaced)
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Section 6.06 Sign Plans
Sign plans may be used to establish unique signage criteria to a given property or for a combination of
properties that function as an integrated commercial complex.
A. Purpose. The purpose of a sign plan is to:
1. Allow for unique sign design based on the unique or unusual physical characteristics of a given
property;
2. Provide the opportunity to adjust the balance of attached and detached sign allowances;
3. Encourage unified signage in commercial and industrial complexes; and
4. Encourage creative design of signs.
B. Application Requirements.
1. A written request signed by the property owner(s) and payment of the required fee.
2. A written project narrative describing the proposed sign plan with any deviations from current code
requirements being requested.
3. Graphic illustrations depicting, at a minimum:
a. Proposed sign locations and sizes;
b. The proposed signs including sign base/structure for detached signs;
c. Type of illumination; and
d. Color and material boards for signs and sign structures.
C. Review Criteria and Sign Design.
1. Review Criteria. The Zoning Administrator may approve a sign plan containing elements that exceed
by up to ten (10) percent the permitted height and area of signs as specified in this Chapter if the sign plan
conforms with at least one of the following criteria:
a. The development contains unique or unusual physical conditions, such as topography,
proportion, size, or relation to a public street that would limit or restrict normal sign visibility; or
b. The proposed or existing development exhibits unique characteristics of land use, architectural
style, site location, physical scale, historical interest, or other distinguishing feature(s) that represent
a clear variation from conventional development; or
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c. The proposed signage incorporates special design features such as lighting, materials and
craftsmanship, murals, or statuaries that reinforce or are integrated with the building architecture.
2. Creative Design. Applications for consideration of a sign plan should include creative design elements
that incorporate the design of the sign into the architecture of the building. Signs which go beyond the
minimum guidelines provided in Section 6.07(G) by meeting the criteria below can increase their allowed
sign area by an additional ten (10) percent. To qualify for the additional sign area, the sign shall:
a. Constitute a substantial aesthetic improvement to the site and shall have a positive visual impact
on the surrounding area;
b. Be of unique design, and exhibit a high degree of thoughtfulness, imagination, inventiveness, and
spirit;
c. Utilize or enhance the architectural elements of the building; and
d. Provide strong graphic character through the imaginative use of graphics, color, texture, quality
materials, scale, and proportion.
D. Approval. The sign plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Zoning Administrator. (21-09, Amended,
05/18/2021, Deleted and replaced)
Section 6.07 General Regulations
A. Maintenance.
1. Any sign hereafter erected or maintained shall maintain conformance to the provisions of this Chapter
and the provisions of the Town Code.
2. Every sign permitted by this Chapter must be kept in good condition and repair.
3. When any sign becomes in danger of falling, or is otherwise deemed unsafe by the Town’s Chief
Building Official, or if any sign shall be unlawfully installed, erected or maintained in violation of any of
the provisions of this Chapter, the property owner, or the person or firm using the sign, shall, upon written
notice by the Chief Building Official, or immediately in the case of immediate danger, and in any case
within not more than ten (10) days after notice:
a. Make such sign conform to the provisions of this Chapter; or
b. Remove the sign.
4. If, within ten (10) days, the order is not complied with, the Chief Building Official may remove the
sign or cause the sign to be removed at the expense of the property owner and/or user of the sign.
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B. Sign Location, Prohibited Locations.
1. Location Requirement. Except as specifically provided for in Section 6.08 for some temporary signs,
signs Signs shall be placed on the property for which the business, activity, commodity, service, product,
or event is conducted, sold, or offered. The following exceptions may be allowed:
a. In the case of condominium developments, the common area can be used for signage for any
occupancy within the condominium.
b. As provided in Section 6.06 commercial and industrial developments that have multiple
properties that utilize a common access and parking field may utilize a sign plan to allow for
common street frontage monument signs that provide signage for individual businesses in the
development but not on the same property as the sign.
c. Temporary signs may be allowed off-premise in the public right-of-way as specified in for each
sign type in Section 6.08.
2. Prohibited Locations. Signs are prohibited in the following locations:
a. Town rights-of-way and public property. More specifically:
i. Within, on, or projecting over the right-of-way, including within medians, unlessexcept as:
1. sSpecifically provided for in this Chapter;, or as
2. aAllowed through Town approval of a special event permit; or
3. Allowed by state statutes during elections and the Town's Sign Free Zone.
bii. Within a median or Oon public property, unless otherwise permitted by this Chapter.
cb. In a manner that creates safety, visibility, or access hazards. More specifically:
di. Placed in a manner that obstructs the visibility of any authorized traffic sign, traffic
signal, or another traffic control device.
eii. Placed in a manner that blocks the vehicular line of sight at a street intersection, or the
intersection of a street and driveway.
iii. Placed in a manner that obstructs ADA access or prevents ingress or egress from any
window or door, or other access-way required by the Building Code or Fire Code as adopted
by the Town of Fountain Hills.
iv. Located contrary to the standards of horizontal and vertical clearance from electrical wires
and conductors as specified in the Building Code as adopted by the Town of Fountain Hills.
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fc. In a manner that interferes with or obstructs the architectural design of the building. More
specifically:
i. Covers the architectural features of a building such as dormers, insignias, pilasters,
soffits, transoms, trims, or similar architectural elements or devices.
ii. Placed on the roof of a building or extends higher than the highest point of the portion of
the building to which the sign is attached.
d. Miscellaneous prohibited locations.
i. Affixed to fuel tanks, storage containers, or solid waste receptacles, except signs related to
the manufacturer’s or installer’s identification, warning signs, and placards, and information
otherwise required by law.
gii. Tacked, painted, burned, cut, pasted, or otherwise affixed to trees, shrubs, posts, ladders,
benches, or similar supports if visible from across a property boundary or from the right-of-
way.
h. Placed in a manner that obstructs ADA access or prevents ingress or egress from any
window or door, or other access-way required by the Building Code or Fire Code as adopted
by the Town of Fountain Hills.
i. Covers the architectural features of a building such as dormers, insignias, pilasters, soffits,
transoms, trims, or similar architectural elements or devices.
j. Placed on the roof of a building or extends higher than the highest point of the portion of
the building to which the sign is attached.
kiii. Attached to a standpipe, gutter, drain, or fire escape, or placed in a manner that impairs
roof access.
l. Located contrary to the standards of horizontal and vertical clearance from electrical wires
and conductors as specified in the Building Code as adopted by the Town of Fountain Hills.
me. Temporary signs within the Shea Boulevard right-of-way, except as specifically provided in
this Chapter.
C. Nonconforming Signs.
1. Any sign legally existing at the time of the passage of the ordinance codified in this Chapter that, due
to changes in this Chapter, no longer conforms in use, location, height or size with the regulations of this
Chapter shall be considered a legal nonconforming use and may continue in use until such time as it is
removed or abandoned for a period of six or more continuous months. Except as otherwise set forth in
subsections (C)(2) and (C)(3) of this section, any change in the sign, including a 50% or more change of
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sign copy, shall be considered an abandonment and the legal nonconforming status of the sign shall
become void.
2. Whenever the name of a business or other sign text changes, any legal nonconforming signs
associated with the business shall be modified to bring them into conformance with this Chapter, even
though the change is a change of sign copy only. This subsection shall not apply to signs designed with
interchangeable letters or panels or to the text area of a monument sign.
3. Legal nonconforming freestanding signs, sign structures, poles and other related equipment that have
been abandoned or not in use for more than six months shall be removed and the building, land or site
restored to its original state.
D. Standards of Measurement.
1. Sign Area Measurement. Sign area for all sign types is measured as follows:
a. For sign copy mounted or painted on a background panel or area distinctively painted, textured or
constructed, the sign area is the area within the outside dimensions of the background panel or
surface.
Example Sign Copy Area
b. For sign copy consisting of individual letters and/or graphics affixed to a wall or portion of a
building that has not been painted, textured, or otherwise altered to provide a distinctive background
for the sign copy, the sign area is the area within the sum of the one (1) or two (2) smallest tangent
rectangle(s) or other standard geometric shapes (e.g., circle, triangle, regular ellipse, regular
rhombus, or regular parallelogram), or combination of rectangles and standard regular geometric
shapes that will enclose both the sign copy and background. When two (2) shapes are used, the
shapes must include at least one (1) point of common tangency between the two (2) shapes.
Example Sign Area
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c. For sign copy mounted or painted on an internally illuminated sign or internally illuminated
element of a building, the entire internally illuminated surface or architectural element that contains
sign copy will be counted as sign area.
Example Illuminated Sign Area
d. Multifaced signs:
i. One face: the sign area is the area of the single face only.
ii. Two faces: if the interior angle between the two sign faces is forty-five (45) degrees or less,
the sign area is the area of one face only; if the angle between the sign faces exceeds forty-five
(45) degrees, the sign area is the sum of the areas of the two faces.
iii. Three or more faces: the sign area is the sum of areas of all the sign faces.
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Example Sign Face Area
iv. Three dimensional, sculptural or other nonplanar signs: the sign area will be the sum of the
areas of the vertical faces of the smallest polyhedron that will encompass the sign structure.
Example Dimensional Sign Area
2. Sign Height Measurement. Sign height is measured as follows:
a. Freestanding Sign. Sign height is the distance from the top of the sign face or structure (except
for architectural embellishment as provided below), whichever is taller, to the top of curb of the
public road nearest the sign, or to the crown of public road nearest the sign if no curb exists.
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Example Freestanding Sign Height
b. Wall or Fascia Mounted Signs. Sign height is the distance measured from a point perpendicular
to the top of the midpoint of the sign structure, to the top of the finished floor of the ground floor
level directly below the midpoint of the sign.
Example Midpoint of Sign
E. Prohibited Signs. Signs not specifically authorized herein are prohibited, including, but not limited to, the
following:
1. Neon signs, except as permitted in Section 6.08(A)(16).
2. Any sign emitting sound.
3. Any animated or moving sign, including televisions or signs with streaming video.
4. Mobile signs, except for sign walkers or as otherwise specifically permitted.
5. Billboards.
6. Non-electrically illuminated signs.
7. Any nonpublic signs in public right-of-way or on public property, except as otherwise specifically
permitted.
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8. All off-site signs, except as specifically permitted in this Chapter.
9. All banners, pennants, streamers, feather signs, balloons, flags, searchlights, strobe lights, beacons,
and inflatable signs, except as specifically defined and permitted in this Chapter.
10. Any sign imitating an official traffic control sign and any sign or device obscuring one or more
traffic control signs or devices.
11. Any sign which is structurally unsafe, unsafely installed, or otherwise hazardous to physical safety.
12. Signs not authorized by the property owner, except as specifically permitted.
F. Illumination.
1. Temporary signs shall not be illuminated.
2. Sign illumination, where allowed, shall be in conformance with provisions of Chapter 8, Outdoor
Lighting Control, of the Zoning Ordinance.
3. When externally illuminated, the source of a sign’s illumination shall not be visible from any adjacent
residential streets or neighborhoods.
4. No illuminated sign shall be placed or constructed on a vacant or undeveloped lot or parcel.
5. The following types of illumination are prohibited:
a. Flashing, blinking, or rotating lights;
b. Metal halide lighting;
c. High- or low-pressure sodium light bulbs; and
d. Mercury vapor light sources.
6. See Section 6.08(B) for luminance standards for electronic message centers.
G. Design Guidelines and Standards for Signs and Sign Structures.
1. Permanent signs and sign structures should:
a. Be designed to be attractive and artistic;
b. Incorporate design features associated with the buildings or structures, and should constitute an
architectural component of the overall development that is compatible with, and not incongruous to,
the architectural style and character of the development of the property associated with the sign; and
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c. Utilize materials and design themes consistent with the architectural design theme of the
development, as expressed by the building architecture, landscaping, and overall site development.
2. Permanent signs and sign structures:
a. Shall be mounted so that the attachment device is not visible.
b. Letters attached or anchored to the face of an exposed standard raceway should be architecturally
designed and integrated into the building.
c. Raceways shall either:
i. Be finished to match the color of the building adjacent to the raceway and design elements
of the building, or
ii. When a raceway is provided as an architectural enhancement to the building elevation, the
raceway must be in a contrasting color and material.
3. Temporary signs shall be made of durable materials and properly maintained in good repair.
Section 6.08 Sign Requirements and Allowances
A. Sign Types. The following sign types are allowed in Fountain Hills:
1. A-Frame and T-Frame Signs.
a. Zoning/Use.
i. Single-family and multifamily residential zoning districts only when in compliance with
subsection D of this section;
ii. Commercial or industrial zoning districts; and
iii. PADs with commercial or industrial uses.
b. Size/Height.
i. Maximum sign area for any sign is six (6) square feet.
ii. When multiple signs are used, the maximum aggregate area is nine (9)eight (8) square feet.
iii. Maximum sign height is three (3) feet.
c. Number.
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i. In single-family and multifamily districts, as allowed by subsection D of this section.
ii. One per business per public entry in commercial or industrial districts with a maximum of
two per business.
d. Location. Shall not be used as an off-site sign, except as provided below:
i. On property held in common by members of a property owner’s association or on property
owned by the business owner’s landlord, but not within any designated parking or loading area.
ii. As provided in subsection D of this section.
iii. In the public right-of-way, including Shea Boulevard, under the following conditions:
1. Within the Town Center pedestrian area, may be located in the Town right-of-way
adjacent to the businessone hundred thirty (130)ninety (90) feet of a property line
fronting a street containing the business through the issuance of a permit by the
Town when the property lacks adequate access to display a sign on its property or
adjacent common property; provided, that a signin a commercially zoned area.:
2. Within one thousand two hundred fifty (1,250) feet of a property line fronting a street
containing a the business in an industrially zoned area.
1.3. Signs placed in the public right-of-way must adhere to the following requirements:
1a. Shall not be located on the paved portion of any public street or in any median;
2b. Shall not be located within a designated parking or loading area;
3c. Shall not be located in a manner that poses a traffic vision hazard;
4d. Shall not be located on a public sidewalk except in the Town Center Pedestrian
area when unless there is at least six four (64) feet of clear passage around at least
one side and the sign owner provides the town an indemnification agreement with
regards to the sign; and
5e. Shall be at least three two (32) feet from any curb or edge of pavement;. and,
f. Shall be removed between the hours of official sunset and official sunrise, except
in the Town Center Pedestrian areawhen the business is closed.
iv.
Landscaping cannot be modified or damaged to accommodate an A-frame sign.
e. Miscellaneous Requirements.
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i. Attachments to A-frame signs are limited to not more than four (4) balloons or flags, no
more than one (1) square foot in size, flown no higher than six (6) feet from the ground.
ii. Landscaping cannot be modified or damaged to accommodate an A-frame sign.
2. Awning or Canopy Sign.
a. Zoning/Use.
i. Permitted nonresidential uses in a residential zoning district;
ii. An apartment building in a multifamily zoning district;
iii. Commercial or industrial zoning districts; and
iv. PADs with similar uses.
b. Size/Height.
i. A sign placed on the side or face of an awning or canopy may not exceed 25% of the area of
the face of the awning or canopy on which the sign is placed.
ii. A sign placed on top of a canopy may not exceed one (1) square foot of area for each linear
foot of the length of the canopy on the side containing the sign for single occupancies and for
the length of the occupancy for multiple occupancy buildings.
c. Number. One (1) sign per occupancy.
d. Location. On an approved canopy.
e. Miscellaneous Requirements.
i. When placed on top of a canopy, must consist of individual alphanumeric characters only.
3. Balloons.
a. Zoning/Use.
i. Permitted nonresidential uses in residential zoning districts;
ii. Commercial or industrial zoning districts; and
iii. PADs with similar uses.
b. Size/Height. No balloon shall be bigger than twenty-four (24) inches in diameter and can be no
higher than six (6) feet from the ground.
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c. Number. N/A.
d. Location.
i. When part of a business, within the area leased by the business.
ii. When adjacent to a building, not more than four (4) feet from the face of the building and
within twenty (20) feet of the main building entrance.
iii. When attached to an authorized temporary sign, in locations where the temporary signs are
permitted.
iv. Shall not be displayed within the perimeter landscape area.
v. Shall not encroach within on-site fire lanes.
vi. Shall not be attached to or hung from a tree or shrub.
vii. Shall not be erected at the intersection of any street or pedestrian walkway in such a
manner as to obstruct free and clear vision, or at any location where, by its position, shape or
color, it may interfere with or obstruct the view of or be confused with any authorized traffic
signal, sign or device.
e. Miscellaneous Requirements.
i. Balloons must be tethered to a secure location that prevents high winds from removing the
balloon or causing it to create an obstruction.
ii. May be displayed for a maximum of thirty (30) days per calendar year. Additional days may
be approved through approval of a Temporary Use Permit.
4. Banners.
a. Zoning/Use.
i. Permitted nonresidential uses in residential zoning districts;
ii. Apartment complexes containing more than twenty (20) units in multifamily or commercial
zoning districts;
iii. Commercial or industrial zoning districts; and
iv. PADs with similar uses.
b. Size/Height. Maximum sign area shall be thirty-two (32) square feet.
c. Number. One (1) per occupancy.
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d. Location.
i. Within the area owned or leased by the business or use.
ii. Shall not be displayed in any parking space, drive aisle or the required perimeter landscape
area.
iii. Shall not encroach within on-site fire lanes.
iv. Shall not be attached to or hung from a tree or shrub.
v. Shall not be erected at the intersection of any street or pedestrian walkway in such a manner
as to obstruct free and clear vision, or at any location where, by its position, shape or color, it
may interfere with or obstruct the view of or be confused with any authorized traffic signal, sign
or device.
e. Miscellaneous Requirements.
i. A Banner Permit must be obtained from the Development Services Department prior to
display of a banner sign.
ii. Banners must be affixed to a secure location that prevents high winds from removing the
banner or causing it to create an obstruction.
iii. May be dDisplayed of banner signs is subject to the following time allowances:
1. for aA maximum of thirty ninety (3090) days per calendar year. Additional days may be
approved through approval of a Temporary Use Permit. Four times a calendar year,
2. nNon-residential uses in a residential zoning district may request an administrative
temporary use permit to allow a seasonal waiver for a banner signup to an additional 15
days per request.
32. New businesses, as documented through the issuance of a new business license, may
be approved for display of a banner sign for up to one calendar (1) year from the date the
business opens. Sign must be maintained in good repair. Message on the sign may be
changed up to four times during the year.
5. Building Wall Sign.
a. Zoning/Use.
i. Permitted nonresidential uses in residential zoning districts;
ii. Apartment complexes containing more than twenty (20) units in multifamily or commercial
zoning districts;
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iii. Commercial or industrial zoning districts; and
iv. PADs with similar uses.
b. Size/Height.
i. One and one-half (1.5) square feet of sign area is allowed for each lineal foot of occupancy
frontage along a street. All occupancies with an exterior wall are allowed a minimum of twenty-
four (24) square feet of signage. The maximum allowed sign area for an individual sign is one
hundred (100) square feet.
ii. Corner buildings may transfer up to 25% of the area from one building frontage to the other
if the angle of the building at the corner is between forty-five degrees (45˚) and ninety degrees
(90˚). Each side of corner buildings with building frontages less than forty-five degrees (45˚)
and between ninety degrees (90˚) and one hundred eighty degrees (180˚) shall be considered as
one frontage and may not transfer sign area.
iii. Sign area must allow a minimum of a two (2) foot border from the edge of the building or
suite frontage, or a minimum two (2) foot separation between signs, whichever is greater.
c. Number. One sign for each fifty (50) feet of occupancy per street frontage, or portion thereof.
d. Location. Shall not be located in a manner that is prohibited in Section 6.07(B)(2)(h) through
(B)(2)(l).
e. Miscellaneous Requirements.
i. Each wall sign may project no more than twelve (12) inches from the surface of the wall to
which is it attached.
ii. Reverse pan channel letters with halo illumination must not exceed a one and three-quarters
(1.75) inch separation from the wall.
iii. In the C-2, C-3, and TCCD zoning districts, a building wall sign may be added to a
secondary entrance in addition to total aggregate sign area if the following criteria are met:
1. Sign area shall not exceed 25% of the primary total aggregate sign area.
2. The secondary entrance must not be visible from the main public entrance.
3. The secondary entrance must face a rear parking area, common area or public use
frontage.
6. Drive-Through Sign.
a. Zoning/Use. Commercial or industrial zoning districts or PAD with similar uses.
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
b. Size/Height. Maximum sign area shall be twenty (20) square feet. Maximum sign height is five
(5) feet.
c. Number. Maximum of one (1) per drive-through lane.
d. Location.
i. Within five (5) feet of a drive-through lane.
ii. Cannot be readable from any public street or alley.
iii. Must be at least one hundred fifty (150) feet from any residential zoning district or fully
screened from residential view by a masonry wall.
e. Miscellaneous Requirements.
i. Minimum of four (4) square feet of landscaping per one (1) square foot of sign area shall be
provided at the base of the sign.
7. Flags.
a. Zoning/Use. Allowed in all zoning districts.
b. Size/Height.
i. The maximum size of a flag is twenty-four (24) square feet in residentially zoned property or
property zoned PAD with residential uses and sixty (60) square feet in all other zoning districts.
ii. The maximum flagpole height is the height allowed in the zoning district and Section
5.07(B).
c. Number.
i. If hung from the side of a building, one (1) per unit or tenant space.
ii. Each flagpole may contain up to two (2) flags.
d. Location. Flagpoles must be located so that if the pole should fall, it will remain on the property
containing the pole.
e. Miscellaneous Requirements.
i. Developed single-family lots may contain one flagpole.
ii. Model home complexes may have two (2) flagpoles on one (1) lot and one (1) flagpole on
additional lots up to a maximum of five (5) flagpoles.
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
iii. All other properties may have up to two (2) flagpoles.
iv. The length of the flag, which is the longer side of the flag that is perpendicular to the
flagpole, shall not exceed one-third (1/3) of the in-ground pole height.
v. May be hung on the side of a building only on national or state holidays.
8. Freestanding Wall/Fence Sign.
a. Zoning/Use.
i. Subdivision entry feature for single-family and multifamily developments in all residential
zoning districts;
ii. Commercial or industrial zoning districts; and
iii. PADs with similar uses.
b. Size/Height. Maximum sign area is twenty-four (24) square feet. Maximum sign height is six (6)
feet.
c. Number. One per development entry.
d. Location. Part of or attached to a perimeter wall surrounding a development.
e. Miscellaneous Requirements.
i. A minimum of two (2) square feet of landscape area per one (1) square foot of sign area
shall be provided at the base of the sign.
ii. Sign area may be back-lit such that the source of illumination is not visible; provided,
however, that back-lit, nonopaque panels are not permitted.
iii. The text area of the sign may be illuminated by fully shielded, ground mounted directional
lighting.
9. Hanging or Under-Canopy Sign.
a. Zoning/Use. Any commercial or industrial zoning district and PADs with similar uses.
b. Size/Height. Maximum sign width is twenty-four (24) inches, maximum sign height is twelve
(12) inches. Minimum clearance is at least eight (8) feet from the bottom of the sign to the sidewalk
or surface beneath the sign.
c. Number. One (1) per occupancy.
d. Location. Under an awning or canopy associated with the business or activity.
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
e. Miscellaneous Requirements.
i. If located over an abutting Town right-of-way, must obtain an encroachment permit from the
Town.
10. Monument Sign.
a. Zoning/Use.
i. Permitted nonresidential uses in residential zoning districts;
ii. Entry feature into a subdivision in single-residence zoning districts;
iii. Apartment or condominium complex containing more than twenty (20) dwellings in
multifamily zoning districts;
iv. Commercial or industrial zoning districts; and
v. PADs with similar uses.
b. Size/Height.
Table 6.08(B). Size and Height Allowances for Monument Signs
Zoning District Maximum Size Maximum Height
Single Residential 32 sq. ft. 6 feet
Multiresidential 32 sq. ft. 8 feet
Commercial/Industrial 50 sq. ft. for an individual sign 12 feet
c. Number. One monument sign per lot or parcel for each full three hundred (300) feet of street
frontage.
d. Location.
i. Along a street frontage, but not within a public right-of-way.
ii. Must be separated from any other monument sign on the same property by at least one
hundred fifty (150) feet.
e. Miscellaneous Requirements.
i. A minimum of two (2) square feet of landscaping per one (1) square foot of sign area
provided at the base of the sign.
ii. Sign may be internally illuminated.
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
iii. Sign area may be back-lit such that the source of illumination is not visible; provided,
however, that back-lit, nonopaque panels are not permitted.
iv. The text area of the sign may be illuminated by fully shielded, ground mounted directional
lighting.
11. On-Site Directional Sign.
a. Zoning/Uses. Commercial or industrial zoning districts and PADs with similar uses.
b. Size/Height. Maximum sign area is four (4) square feet. Maximum sign height is five (5) feet.
c. Number. As needed.
d. Location. At least twenty (20) feet from a public street and within five (5) feet of a driveway or
drive aisle.
12. Post and Board Sign.
a. Zoning/Uses. Allowed in all zoning districts.
b. Size/Height.
i. Developed properties and undeveloped properties five (5) acres or less in size, the maximum
sign area is six (6) square feet. Maximum sign height is five (5) feet in residentially zoned
property and eight (8) feet in non-residentially zoned property.
ii. Undeveloped property more than five (5) acres in size, maximum sign area is thirty-two
(32) square feet. Maximum height is eight (8) feet.
c. Number. One (1) sign per street front.
i. In single-residence districts or uses, one (1) sign per property per street front.
ii. In multiple-residence districts or uses:
a. One (1) to five (5) dwelling units on a property, one (1) sign per property or
condominium unit
b. Six (6) or more dwelling units on a property, two signs per property per street front
c. Non-residential use, one (1) sign per property per street front
iii. In commercial or industrial districts, one (1) sign per property or condominium unit
d. Location.
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
i. Shall not be used as an off-site sign, except on property held in common by members of a
property owner’s association or on property owned by the business owner’s landlord, but not
within any designated parking or loading area.
ii. Shall notA property owner may be located place a sign within the public right-of-way
immediately adjacent to their property. However, in commercial and industrial zoning districts
where buildings are built to the property line or in any zoning district where topography limits
visibility behind the right-of-way, an encroachment permit may be requested to allow sign
placement within the right-of-way, but not within a median, provided all portions of the sign
structure and sign face are at least three two (32) feet from the curb or edge of pavement and do
not overhang a sidewalk.
13. Projecting Sign.
a. Zoning/Uses. Commercial or industrial zoning districts and PADs with similar uses.
b. Size/Height. Maximum sign width is three and one-half (3.5) feet. Maximum sign height is six
(6) feet. Minimum clearance is eight (8) feet from the bottom of the sign to the sidewalk or surface
beneath the sign.
c. Number. One per building.
d. Location. On the building outside the tenant space for which the sign is located.
e. Miscellaneous Requirements.
i. If encroaching over an abutting Town right-of-way line, must obtain an encroachment permit
from the Town.
14. Sign Walkers.
a. Zoning/Uses. Commercial or industrial zoning districts and PADs with similar uses.
b. Size/Height. Maximum sign area is five (5) square feet.
c. Number. One sign per business.
d. Location.
i. If located in the right-of-way, a sign walker shall be positioned behind the curb, or, if no
curb is present, ten (10) feet behind the edge of pavement.
ii. Sign walkers shall be positioned so as to not obstruct vehicle sight lines and road “clear
zones” established by the Town Engineer in accordance with traffic engineering standards.
iii. Sign walkers shall not obstruct the free movement of pedestrians on sidewalks.
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
iv. Sign walkers are not allowed in the medians of public or private streets.
e. Miscellaneous Requirements.
i. Sign walkers shall not erect or place tents, temporary structures, umbrellas, chairs or stools
anywhere within the public right-of-way or on adjacent property.
15. Vehicle Sign.
a. Zoning/Uses. Commercial and industrial zoning districts and PADs with similar uses.
b. Size/Height. N/A.
c. Number. N/A.
d. Location. Vehicle must be parked in an authorized location and in a lawful manner that is not
distinct or different from the predetermined parking area design.
e. Miscellaneous Requirements.
i. The vehicle must be operable and currently registered per Town Code. The primary purpose
of the vehicle shall be in the operation of the business, e.g., transporting goods or providing
services, and not displaying a sign.
ii. Business or commercial vehicles displaying signage or advertising as a normal part of
business activity may be parked in an off-street parking space adjacent to the business to which
the vehicle relates as far from the public right-of-way as possible. If the vehicle is visible from
the public right-of-way it shall not remain in the same parking space for more than forty-eight
(48) hours.
iii. Unless otherwise permitted, signs mounted, attached or painted on trailers, boats, motor
vehicles or any moveable object placed on premises specifically to serve as additional signage
are prohibited; they shall not become additional, permanent freestanding signs.
iv. No sign shall be erected or attached to any vehicle except for signs that are magnetically
attached to or permanently painted or wrapped on the surface of a vehicle.
16. Window Sign.
a. Zoning/Uses. Commercial or industrial zoning districts and PADs with similar uses.
b. Size/Height. May not cover more than fifty (50) percent of any window.
c. Number. N/A.
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
d. Location. On a window or within six (6) feet behind a window when intended to be viewed from
outside the building.
e. Miscellaneous. May use neon signs for interior window displays in commercial and industrial
districts. The total amount of neon signage for any one business shall be six (6) square feet. No more
than two (2) neon signs shall be allowed for any business.
17. Yard Signs.
a. Zoning. Allowed in all zoning districts.
b. Size/Height. Maximum sign area is six (6) square feet in single-family zoning districts and eight
(8) square feet in all other zoning districts. Maximum sign height is three (3) feet in single-family
zoning districts and five (5) feet in all other zoning districts.
c. Number.
i. In single-residence districts or uses, One two (12) signs per lotproperty.
ii. In multiple-residence districts:
a. One (1) to five (5) dwelling units on a property, two (2) signs per property or
condominium unit
b. Six (6) or more dwelling units on a property, two signs per property or condominium
unit
c. Non-residential use, two (2) signs per property
iii. In commercial or industrial districts, one sign per business
d. Location.
i. On private property.
ii. On property held in common by members of a property owner’s association or on property
owned by the business owner’s landlord, but not within any designated parking or loading area.
iii. Shall not be located within the public right-of-way in residential zoned areas, except when
used as provided in subsection D of this section.
iii. In the public right-of-way adjacent to commercial or industrial zoned property, except on
Shea Boulevard.
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
B. Electronic Message Centers. Electronic message centers (EMC) are permitted in commercial and
industrial zoning districts, and for permitted nonresidential uses in residential zoning districts consistent with
the following requirements:
1. There shall be no moving or flashing green or red features that can be mistaken as traffic control
devices.
2. Each message on the sign must be displayed a minimum of eight (8) seconds.
3. EMC shall contain static messages only and shall not have movement, or the appearance or optical
illusion of movement, of any part of the sign structure, design or pictorial segment of the sign, including
movement or appearance of movement or any illumination of the flashing, scintillating or varying of light
intensity.
4. Message change is allowed through fade, dissolve, travel, or scrolling modes not to exceed two (2)
seconds in transition.
5. When a business is closed, the sign may continue to be lit, but may only display a static message.
6. Nighttime Allowances. From one (1) hour after official sunset until one (1) hour before official
sunrise, the maximum luminance level of any EMC shall be 100 nits. Signs must be turned off between
the hours of 10:00 PM and 6:00 AM.
7. Measurement Criteria. The luminance of an electronic message center shall be measured with a
luminance meter set to measure candelas per square meter (nits) traceable to a National Institute for
Standards and Technology (NIST) standard and using accepted professional practices for measurement as
established by the Development Services Director.
8. All permitted electronic message centers shall be equipped with a sensor or other device that
automatically determines the ambient illumination and programmed to automatically dim according to
ambient light conditions, or that can be adjusted to comply with the 100 nits maximum nighttime
luminance requirement.
9. In the event a sign is found to be out of compliance with the luminance levels required by this
Chapter, the sign shall remain off until the sign is brought into compliance.
C. Temporary Sign Allowances, Construction on Undeveloped Property.
1. The aggregate temporary sign allowances per occupancy are as follows:
Table 6.08(C). Aggregate Temporary Sign Allowance by Use per Occupancy
The Fountain Hills Zoning Ordinance is current through Ordinance 22-07, passed November 15, 2022.
Use Maximum Total Area for all
Temporary Signs
Maximum Number of Signs
per Street Front Minimum Separation
Single-Family, Attached or
Detached
12 sq. ft. 2 N/A
Multifamily, Office,
Nonresidential in a Single-
Family District
32 sq. ft. 2 50 feet
Commercial 48 sq. ft. 3 75 feet
Industrial 64 sq. ft. 2 N/A
2. Construction on Undeveloped Property. Undeveloped properties with valid building permits may
display one (1) temporary sign per street front not to exceed eight (8) square feet in size and a maximum
height of five (5) feet. The sign must be on the construction site. The sign must be removed no later than
the date when the final inspection is completed. Required government signs for construction projects are
exempt from this requirement.
D. Other Signs in Residential Zoning Districts and Residential Pads.
1. Each single-family lot, condominium unit, or model home may place one (1) sign anywhere on the
property. Further, each single-family home, condominium complex, or model home cluster may place one
(1) additional sign at each turning movement beginning at the subject property out to a major street with a
maximum of three five (35) additional signs.
2. Shall not be located within the public right-of-way associated with Shea Boulevard at any time, but
may be located within the public right-of-way of any other street between the hours of official sunrise and
official sunset on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays, and Federal holidays. When located in the right-of-way,
shall be placed at least three two (32) feet from the curb or edge of pavement.
3. Miscellaneous Requirements.
a. No sign may be attached to any utility pole or box, light pole, street sign, bus shelter, or any
structure within the public right-of-way.
b. Signs shall not damage any vegetation or rest against other objects or vegetation.