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HomeMy WebLinkAboutAGENDApacket__05-08-24_0638_618       NOTICE OF MEETING REGULAR MEETING HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION    Chair Susan Obst-Dworkis  Vice Chair Tim Yoder Commissioner Bob Burns Commissioner David Corlett Commissioner John Gibson Commissioner William Meade Commissioner Dave Peterson    TIME:4:00 P.M. – REGULAR MEETING WHEN:WEDNESDAY, MAY 8, 2024 WHERE:FOUNTAIN HILLS COUNCIL CHAMBERS 16705 E. AVENUE OF THE FOUNTAINS, FOUNTAIN HILLS, AZ Commissioners of the Town of Fountain Hills will attend either in person or by telephone conference call; a quorum of the Town’s Council,  various Commission, Committee or Board members may be in attendance at the Commission meeting. 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TO SPEAK TO AN AGENDA ITEM, please complete a Request to Comment card, located in the back of the Council Chambers, and hand it to the Executive Assistant prior to discussion of that item, if possible. Include the agenda item on which you wish to comment. Speakers will be allowed three contiguous minutes to address the Commission. Verbal comments should be directed through the Presiding Officer and not to individual Commissioners. TO COMMENT ON AN AGENDA ITEM IN WRITING ONLY, please complete a Request to Comment card, indicating it is a written comment, and check the box on whether you are FOR or AGAINST and agenda item, and hand it to the Executive Assistant prior to discussion, if possible.      History and Culture Advisory Commission Meeting of May 8, 2024 1 of 3          1.CALL TO ORDER – Chair Susan Obst-Dworkis     2.ROLL CALL     3.CALL TO THE PUBLIC Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.01(H), public comment is permitted (not required) on matters NOT listed on the agenda. Any such comment (i) must be within the jurisdiction of the Commission, and (ii) is subject to reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions. The Commission will not discuss or take legal action on matters raised during Call to the Public unless the matters are properly noticed for discussion and legal action. At the conclusion of the Call to the Public, individual commissioners may (i) respond to criticism, (ii) ask staff to review a matter, or (iii) ask that the matter be placed on a future Commission agenda.     4.PRESENTATION: Economic Development Director Amanda Jacobs - Proposed Historical Video Blog Series     5.REPORTS BY COMMISSIONERS     6.CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: Approval of History and Culture Advisory Commission April 3, 2024, Verbatim Meeting Minutes     7.CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: National Register of Historic Landmarks Workgroup Update     8.CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: Insider/Fountain Hills Independent Workgroup Update     9.REVIEW AND DISCUSSION: Creating an Interactive Development Map Using Photos     10.UPDATE: Future Agenda Items     11.REVIEW AND DISCUSSION: Future Speakers     12.UPDATE: Next History and Culture Advisory Commission Meeting June 5, 2024. Agenda Packet items due by May 22, 2024     13.ADJOURNMENT      History and Culture Advisory Commission Meeting of May 8, 2024 2 of 3     CERTIFICATE OF POSTING OF NOTICE The undersigned hereby certifies that a copy of the foregoing notice was duly posted in accordance with the statement filed by the Historic and Cultural Advisory Commission with the Town Clerk. Dated this 2nd day of May, 2024. ___________________________________________ Patti Lopuszanski, Executive Assistant   The Town of Fountain Hills endeavors to make all public meetings accessible to persons with disabilities. Please call 480-816-5199 (voice) or 1-800-367-8939 (TDD) 48 hours prior to the meeting to request a reasonable accommodation to participate in the meeting or to obtain agenda information in large print format. Supporting documentation and staff reports furnished the Commission with this agenda are available for review in the Community Services' Office.    History and Culture Advisory Commission Meeting of May 8, 2024 3 of 3 ITEM 4. TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS STAFF REPORT    Meeting Date: 05/08/2024 Meeting Type: History and Culture Advisory Commission Agenda Type:                   Submitting Department: Community Services Prepared by: Patti Lopuszanski, Executive Assistant Staff Contact Information: Ryan Preston, Recreation Manager Request to History and Culture Advisory Commission (Agenda Language):   PRESENTATION: Economic Development Director Amanda Jacobs - Proposed Historical Video Blog Series Staff Summary (Background) The Economic Development Department is working with Clason Communications on a video blog series focusing on Fountain Hills' history. The videos will be posted on the Town's website and social media.  The proposed videos would feature local historians, events, etc.  The Town and Clason Communications would like to partner with the Commission on the series.  Form Review Form Started By: Patti Lopuszanski Started On: 05/01/2024 03:21 PM Final Approval Date: 05/01/2024  ITEM 5. TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS STAFF REPORT    Meeting Date: 05/08/2024 Meeting Type: History and Culture Advisory Commission Agenda Type:                   Submitting Department: Community Services Prepared by: Patti Lopuszanski, Executive Assistant Staff Contact Information: Ryan Preston, Recreation Manager Request to History and Culture Advisory Commission (Agenda Language):  REPORTS BY COMMISSIONERS Staff Summary (Background) Reports by Commissioners will allow commissioners to share information about town events attended and information related to the History and Culture Advisory Commission. This time is purely for reporting, no discussion or comments from the public are taken, and cannot be used to address any item on the agenda. Form Review Form Started By: Patti Lopuszanski Started On: 05/01/2024 03:12 PM Final Approval Date: 05/01/2024  ITEM 6. TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS STAFF REPORT    Meeting Date: 05/08/2024 Meeting Type: History and Culture Advisory Commission Agenda Type:                   Submitting Department: Community Services Prepared by: Paula Woodward, Executive Assistant Staff Contact Information: Patti Lopuszanski, Executive Assistant Request to History and Culture Advisory Commission (Agenda Language):  CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: Approval of History and Culture Advisory Commission April 3, 2024, Verbatim Meeting Minutes Staff Summary (Background) The intent of approving meeting minutes is to ensure an accurate account of the discussion and action that took place at the meeting for archival purposes. Approved minutes are placed on the town's website and maintained as permanent records in compliance with state law. Attachments HCAC April 3, 2024 Verbatim Meeting Minutes  Form Review Form Started By: Paula Woodward Started On: 04/23/2024 05:22 PM Final Approval Date: 04/23/2024  HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai1 TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 A Regular History and Culture Advisory Commission meeting was convened at 16705 E. Avenue of the Fountains in open and public session at 4:00 p.m. Members Present: Vice-Chair Tim Yoder; Commissioner Bob Burns; Commissioner David Corlett; Commissioner John Gibson; Commissioner Bill Meade; Commissioner Dave Peterson Absent: Chair Susan Obst-Dworkis Staff Present: Recreation Manager Ryan Preston; Executive Assistant Paula Woodward HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai2 YODER: Okay, good day. It's four o'clock. I'd like to call the April 3, 2024, meeting of the History and Culture Advisory Commission to order at exactly 4 p.m. May I have a Roll Call, please? WOODWARD: Commissioner Peterson? PETERSON: Here. WOODWARD: Commissioner Meade? MEADE: Here. WOODWARD: Commissioner Gibson? GIBSON: Here. WOODWARD: Commissioner Corlett? CORLETT: Here. WOODWARD: Commissioner Burns? BURNS: Here. WOODWARD: Vice Chair Yoder? YODER: Here. YODER: The next item on the agenda is a Call to the Public. Patti, do we have any requests to speak? Not Patti, Paula. WOODWARD: Oh, thank you. No, Vice Chair. YODER: All right. Thank you. Reports by Commissioners will allow commissioners to share information about town events. Do we have any reports? David, are you thinking? CORLETT: I'll offer one event to report the River of Time Museum this Friday evening is having “Saddle Up” a Fundraiser with dance and music. So, if you want to come out and learn to do a little dancing and enjoy yourself, tickets are on sale. Look forward to hopefully seeing some of you there at one of our premier cultural and history institutions in town. YODER: Very good the River of Time. Thank you very much for this Friday. Okay. Next, we have Consideration and Possible Action Approval of the March 6, 2024 for History and Culture Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes. Does anybody have any changes to the minutes? PETERSON: I make a motion we pass the minutes as is. GIBSON: I second. HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai3 YODER: All those in favor say, Aye. ALL: Aye. YODER: Any opposed? WOODWARD: Six - zero. YODER: Thank you, Paula. Passes unanimously. The next item on the agenda is The National Register of Historic Landmarks Work Group Update. PRESTON: On that real quick I sent out a paper of what we have so far. It's technically two separate forms just because they were submitted that way. So once the front ones the back if you flip through. I believe that one was turned in by Susan and the back, I believe filled out by you, Tim, is that correct? YODER: Yes, it was we had a little confusion with Susan Obst-Dworkis’ absence. And I think she was in possession of the original. And so I created a second one yes, and filled out my part. Now that I see Susan's part included, which I didn't have in my possession at the time. I could go back and retroactively fill in the entire Historic Property Inventory Form for the State of Arizona. PRESTON: That would be fantastic. I think if we could do that, we can get on one form. And we can move forward with some action maybe on our next meeting for that. But we can, if you'd like, we can go over what you've filled out if you have anything you want insight into and we can also discuss it and put it on the agenda for next. YODER: Sure. My first copy was just a handwritten note. Anyway, I was tasked with filling out the integrity of the building structure section on the second page. I wrote about the design that the formed concrete water lily sculptured fountain is connected to an integral pump house on the south lake shore. Three huge pumps supply the water at about 7000 gallons per minute for the fountain. The setting describes the natural and or built environment around the property. The fountain is contained within a man-made lake 15,120 feet in elevation in the northern Sonoran Desert. The fountain is northeast of downtown Phoenix, in the Town of Fountain Hills between the McDowell Mountains to the west and the Verde River to the east. Then it says describe how the setting has changed since the property's period of significance. I wrote that the fountain setting has changed dramatically since installation, the entire town of Fountain Hills has been built around the fountain, and there were zero residents of Fountain Hills in January 1971. And today, it's home to more than 25,000 people. I filled out the materials of the construction HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai4 that its formed concrete and block foundation for the foundation and the pump house. The roof of the pump house is framed, there are no windows on the pump house and the wall sheathing area is not applicable. Workmanship describes the distinctive elements or of craftsmanship or method of construction. And I said again, the fountain resembles a blooming water lily that rises at least 15 feet from the lakebed, the precast parts of the lily were assembled, petal by petal with a crane. That was my part. I will add what Susan found out and what Bob submitted and have it completed and submitted to the Town before the next meeting. PRESTON: Perfect Yeah. And we could talk about that under Future Agenda items, and how we want to move forward with that as well, when we get there. Okay. But it's also if anybody wants to discuss anything you went over now feel free? GIBSON: Is there any need to mention the source of the pumps, because if I recall correctly, the history of that they were purchased from Switzerland or somewhere. And the three of them and the power that they have. And when all three are running? I don't know if that's necessary. Just I always thought that was an interesting feature of the of the fountain. YODER: That's a good point. I thought about that. I just tried to adhere strictly to this. But I also seem to recall that Bob wrote about the history, the Swiss history. BURNS: What I wrote up for that to accompany that was and I'm not even sure it's necessary, but it was just kind of a background history to accompany that to support the application. And I don't have it in front of me, John, but I probably a lot of that information was included in that. GIBSON: Thank you. PRESTON: And I apologize, Bob for not including that on this one. That one slipped my mind to have in this pamphlet as well. So I'll make sure we get that on the next one. Pardon me. I said I apologize for not including your contributions in this packet here. YODER: Okay, let's see Consideration and Possible Action Update. So one more thing I'd like to kind of mention. I was a little bit aware of this, a month ago or so. And then Ryan, you sent me some links today, which reminded me so the process of this in case I need to state it is for anybody other than myself, which I need to we first have to apply here to the State of Arizona. Once the property if the property is noted as a historic property in Arizona, by Arizona, then we can move on to the national level of moving HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai5 this of getting this fountain named as a historic landmark. It has to meet criteria for the National Register. I looked at that that's like a 50-page brochure I'm sure it meets, I've glanced through it. I'm sure it'll meet. And then that application has to move forward. I'm sure it will be done very efficiently at the national level. CORLETT: Question and just some thoughts for the future. Because I've been involved in some of the bureaucracies at the state and national level on things like this and know how often they're kicked back for revision, and frankly, the frustration that goes through in this sort of process. So I'm looking at the significant section on here, which is going to have to be really hit hard in what we write, because we look at the fountain, and it's significant and important to us is the centerpiece of the town. But in the broader history of Arizona, I kind of shrugged my shoulders a little bit and saying how what, you know, we have to be able to justify that like architecture, is it? Is it done? Is it a Picasso of, of, of concrete in the desert? And you know, it's really coming back to those three things at the top in great detail and being able to support it with documentation. It's, it's going to be a challenge, but it was mentally preparing us for it, basically. YODER: Thank you very much. Yeah. I think that I think we can get this done. I think Bob's narrative is the foundation for that. And I'm looking forward to seeing it completed at the next meeting. I think it'll be helpful. And we may have to jockey a little bit. But I'm hopeful. PRESTON: Perfect to just to add to that, a note on this, I've been asked by a few of our members kind of direction from town, what do we want this commission to do? And my first answer is always this right. This is both from Council and the Town Manager. This is a top priority. So continuing to move forward is fantastic. And I think you're correct. By the next meeting, we can really get this voted on something to submit definitely to the town. YODER: Any further comments, Bob? BURNS: Just to let you know, time if you need to meet on this sometime in the next few weeks to go over something before we move forward? Or before the next meeting? Just let me know. YODER: Okay, that sounds great. Thank you for that. I will take you up on that. Thank you. Okay, can we move forward then? Next up on the agenda. The possible action on the Insider/Fountain Hills Independent Workgroup Update. HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai6 BURNS: Yeah, I don't know. There's too much or report, David, I did meet. And talked about a couple of things. With regard to rising above the rest and some other options, including maybe broadening the scope somewhat of the, of the committee or the workgroup to more of a communications kind of thing, rather than just focusing on Insider and the Independent I mean, I think, as far as the Times Independence goes, things, things will be fine getting in as they come. I think, you know, it's going to be too difficult to pin down anything regular there. But, you know, we'll do the new stories as they come up. I've been working with Bo, in fact, they were I just met him before this meeting. I, you know, proposed an item for potentially the next Insider. And I know Ryan said, we want to think about a year out on the Insider and it's like, you know, that's only four editions. I can have him a year's worth next week. So, that that's not really a problem. This one I was showing him was a story that they found in one of Bob Mason's books about a clay mine, McDowell Mountain Park area. I do need to reach out to Bob's daughter to make sure we got permission. But other than that, I'll pass that along to him or something else in the next couple of weeks so he can focus on the next edition on that. Oh, Rising Above the Rest, Dave. And I did run into Brett Cruickshank as we were meeting. And I asked Brent, if he knew had the who had the rights to the book. And his response wasn't clear to me, but it was either the Times or himself. So he kind of indicated this that going forward here probably the times as a few other things coming up over the next couple of months. But as we head into summer, that's going to be something on their list to look at. So at least that's my impression at this point that, you know, subject to change, but and I know one of the things that is kind of on the table there is to set up some kind of situation where that book can be available online. So if somebody actually wants to order one, they can do it that way. But I'm not 100% sure how that would work. But that is somebody else to figure out on the publishing side. So anyway, I think that's about it on that. It's just an aside, we're working on the 50th anniversary edition for the Times, it's going to be a fairly nice little booklet type thing. So we should be able to make a pretty nice little addition. So we will I have started to work on some of that stuff. The other guys are otherwise engaged right now. But so that's my update. I don't think there's anything else. PETERSON: Yeah, thanks, Tim. I was Bob, I think we were talking also about going to be selling it putting the book online, if we do a reprint, and maybe on I Love Fountain HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai7 Hills app, or maybe the River of Time. Just to sell to make some extra. I mean, if we ever get to that point where we don't know what the approvals are for the print. BURNS: Those are going to be decisions by made by who was already doing the publishing. But if that's, you know, if those are options, I'm sure they'll listen. PETERSON: And just one other thing to me, we can add to that book, because obviously that book was probably when it first was published it. I don't know what year it was, but maybe there's some updates we can do to it. Add to it to bring it up to date. BURNS: It's the publication date was it was a copyright date is 2010. So you got another 15 years? I'm not sure. Based on the character of the book that there's that much to add, but we could we can look at that. So perfect. I think that's what Brent has in mind, too, looking in terms of that. PRESTON: I know, Bob and Dave, you reached out and I shared some thoughts with you guys. But I had some staff notes on the rise above the rest as well. And I know before, you know, step one, before we do anything even discuss too much with that is we have to get we had to figure out who is the copyright holder in writing to make sure obviously that we are going doing everything legally correct. So that's definitely step one. So once we do that we can we can move forward with any other discussions as well. On and I know you guys also reached out discussing about possibly either renaming your workgroup or closing it and starting a new one. I think forward we might be just kind of missing a step with the workgroup is and that is kind of sharing what we're doing at the meeting as well. I know Bob, you said you've been talking to on Bo directly. But I don't know if your fellow commissioners would like a say an idea of kind of what's getting pushed out to the times first. I don't know if that's been discussed or not. So getting those four things ahead of time discussing them. Having the Commission approve that before then pushing it out to the Insider as well might be a thought as well on that one. So before we would close every name something we'd want to kind of close the loop on it a little bit as well. Oh, and then for the, for the 50th anniversary said you're working on with the Times do you guys have an estimated publishing date for that? When do you expect that? BURNS: The anniversary date is June 24. So it's going to be around that date sometime. Yeah, it will be done for that. I'm pretty sure. PRESTON: Perfect, thank you. YODER: Okay, thank you. The next item on the agenda is Consideration and Possible Action on the Points of Interest Work Group plaque verbiage. HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai8 MEADE: Yep, John was kind enough to volunteer and run with the verbiage that's included in the packet on the Botanical Garden, and damn the piece, it's in the packet. So you have anything on this site. But then, shortly after that Bob was kind enough to write an article on it. And I think now we've got probably all the information we need as it relates to the Botanical Garden and damn based on Bob's article, which we didn't have at this writing. And then if you go down to little John's, we are missing the date of someone new the actual date of the opening. And we're looking for more information from other people that might have more on the U-Totem Market. PRESTON: Again, just a quick staff side on this one. So reading through it, I don't know if everybody had a chance to read through what was provided the little write-ups for each of the five designees that we're looking at. But I know at least from the staff side, we will want to get more detailed which each with each of them and obviously fill in the gaps. So we wouldn't want to push this out to anybody yet until we can fill it out a little bit more, add a little more details to it. Specifically, you know, finding dates, filling out information about the dam, we'd really want a full paragraph or two on everything to go along with the designation to have. So I don't know if that's something we want to discuss a little bit now, or something that the work group wants to go back and really do a more thorough write up on each of these as well. GIBSON: I can certainly expand on those, this is just the information that I had at hand at the time. And I didn't have information on whether we had a limit of words for these blacks, because otherwise it's you know, things going to be 11 by 17. By the time we strap it to somebody's building. And I kind of wanted to avoid that. So I just put a couple sentences in hoping that was a good starting point for us. If you feel that. And again, I know we need to talk about pricing on this thing. Do one of them, if not all five? And you know, how long do we want to get with that verbiage and, and information about that building? You know, how many people are going to stay on there and read it? If they do take a walking tour or whatever it is, and view that plaque? PRESTON: Exactly. MEADE: I thought that's what I thought I thought you guys staff was going to go back and look at come back also with what the size of the plaque might be. Because I think knowing the size of the plaque might be helpful to determining how many words we should write versus writing a bunch of words. And then it being well, that's too many words for the plaque. So now can you go back and edit, you know, the words down? So I HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai9 think if we could get some insight into the, what the town thinks the size of the plaque would be, that would be helpful. PRESTON: Absolutely, I know Patti's looking into that. We haven't gotten that information yet. But I would, the goal would be to err on the side of too much information. And then what we would do is we would pare that down to what information was pertinent to the plaque based on what our end result would be for that to look like. So I would shoot for two paragraphs on each of these. So then, on the website, for example, you'd want to be able to provide more information than what would be on the plaque. And we'd want that information to come from you guys to be able to provide that information. And so overshooting for sure and get a paragraph or two and two paragraphs would be my suggestion as a write-up when possible on these locations. And then we can from that discuss bullet pointing down to the size of what we would think would be best on the plaque. CORLETT: a recommendation on that is if we have two paragraphs on each one of them needs to exclusive exclusively focus on why is this significant as opposed to everything that's been here which has its place here but why this is the first what and why was that significant at the time so like the first permanent structure to the MCO building, it's like it's the first one that was out here in the middle of nothing, you know and talk about, really, really focus on the origins of it a little bit more wouldn't be my recommendation. YODER: I that's, that's super important. I agree wholeheartedly. Regarding the Botanical Garden slash dam, not so much the dam per se, but I believe there's a plaque at the Botanical Garden where you park that more, we might be able to glean some information from. WOODWARD: Chair. Sorry, Vice Chair Yoder. I just saw something on the website here, that actually is a handout, a pamphlet for the Botanical Garden, and it gives the history of when it started, and I was wrong it's 1975. The Botanical Garden started, so whoever needs that info, I can pass it on to them. PRESTON: And I think you're right, Tim and, David, the story behind it is going to be huge, right? That's you got to sell the story, right to the people. We don't want just, you know, just a list of it was just building and it was this it was this it was built here. You know, you want to compare that with the historical significance. And like I said, it's a great start. And I see that and I think now just the further discussion on what should we HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai10 add to it, and what it should look like, as far as that story kind of wrapped around the details. And then just in deep, and that's the other thing details. So what we can add to what's already been started, right. So as far as Sally being one of the early residents who stayed in town, so more specific, is she the third resident? Is she the first resident? Is she the fourth resident? If we have that kind of information? On Little John's I know we end with the restaurant Que Bueno occupied the site for many years. Do we have the detail on how many years Ahmed occupied it? So kind of get a little more specific? If and when possible. Within this would be important as well. YODER: The fact that my mother was a waitress there for a while as it was a little you know, is that important? PRESTON: Yes. Write it in, we can always pare it down. Right. GIBSON: My challenge is I use the information that was presented to me being new to this committee. And that was information that I think Deb Skehen provided, I think last year, and I you know, if you want to just ramble on about what, you know what organizations were meeting there, there's no detail that I know of as to why this building's important other than it is the first out or the first this and the first resident, which I thought I included, but maybe there's some gaps here. Because it does say first town resident for Sally. So, I'm, I guess not being a professional writer. I am at a little bit of a loss as to you know, how to dig this information up where to find it, because I just have what I have. And I've just like I said I didn't I wanted to err on the side of brevity, as opposed to rambling on too much. And then have that be a problem. PRESTON: Right? Yeah. And that's completely understood. And I'm not saying it's inadequate by any means. I'm just encouraging, I guess from the staff side. And the feedback I received, when showing us around as well is, is if we have a few more details. And if we can kind of create that story around why was this chosen a little more? I mean, we have, again, you know, the home that was the first home built in what 1972? And so if, again, having a little more information, and if there's none available, just let us know that there is no other information available. On that, again, that's not my area of expertise. So I don't really know but maybe if the workgroup got together and try to find the sources who did know that information if they are out there. GIBSON: do we need to reach out to Sally and see how much information she wants on a plaque about her family? Is that an issue? I mean, I know it's not copyrighted but other than what's in the book. HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai11 PRESTON: Knowing that that is something I forget who brought it up with getting permission from these people would be part of the process. YODER: I think to the question of what we need to spell this out and we will be repeating ourselves some but nevertheless I think it's necessary. Why is such a thing an important thing? Well, you know, it was first but also these are the beginning of institutions. These places, the restaurant Little John's became later Que Bueno it went out of business camp became quite que bueno which still exists today and is a functioning business. It also was the meeting place for a church that was set up and still is practicing here. So I think terms and expressions like, for all of this very early stuff is, you know, the creation of institution, for example, is one phrase that I think is an important one that we could use when we talk about, you know, all of these things in some different way. And I, you know, regarding the botanic the Botanical Garden, separate from the dam, you know, I think a couple of people's names are on that plaque who were formative in getting that going. I hate the word narrative but I think a narrative could be built about, you know, where these people came from. And they're creating an institution themselves in a botanical garden, perhaps they came from Ohio, and thought the desert needed, you know, an educational forum here in the town, to identify the plants and the flora and so forth. Anyway, I ramble on, I'll quit now. I'm enthusiastic about it all though. GIBSON: Personally, I look forward to any assistance anybody can follow me, you're welcome to text me all the information you have, because I only have what was provided in the packet when I joined this commission. So, help me out if you can. BURNS: The story I wrote for The Times on this after the last meeting, includes a paragraph or two and a description of each of these places. I'm not sure we have a whole lot more information there than then what is here. Yeah, what I wrote on the I wrote specifically on the dam, I did not include the botanical garden, I was, you know, I guess I was missing, missing misinformed or misimpression there on that. I never heard specifically when other than that dam was built in the 40s by the people who operated the ranch at the time, and it was used basically as a watering hole for cattle and a hunting site for wildlife that was attracted there. And that was, you know, part of ranch life, I guess, if you kind of expound on that. And as far as a Botanical Garden goes to a narrative, Tim, I mean, yeah, Jane Haynes is a small book herself. And you're right, she did happen to come from Ohio. And, you know, if you want to reach out for more information on her for any reason, I think her daughter contacted me not too long ago regarding her HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai12 memorial service. So I think I have her email. And there were other people than Jane involved in that, too. So. But, yeah, anyway, there's, there might be a little different information. And what I wrote up is I either took it out of Rising Above the Rest, or top of my head or something like that. So on that, so if you don't have a copy of that book. Okay. MEADE: I just think it's to it, it still be helpful to have some direction relative to like, even say a number of words, because I just go back to the designation criteria, which we discussed that we approved. But I mean, you can't have one that has because of knowledge, you know, two sentences, and another one that has three paragraphs, I mean, I think there needs to be some consistency in terms of how it looks, how it's presented, or whatever. I mean, we could go back and write three paragraphs on something, but if it ends up being it's, each plaque is only going to be able to have 60 words. That is kind of fake and…let me finish. And then the other thing is again, I think when we started this drill, it was just around what the criteria is it was designation criteria. Now we're turning it beyond designation criteria into historical information and store Sorry. So I think the rules keep kind of changing and moving. And if I sound frustrated, I am because this has been going on a long time. And each time it's brought forward, there's a new set of requirements for it. And I didn't think it was that complicated at the start. PRESTON: And that's, that's noted. And again, I believe this is under our points of interest workgroup, which was a little more broader than just the designation criteria. This is regarding our five points of interests we decided and voted on. And that's, that's kind of what we're discussing now. And in my direction would be two paragraphs, if you're looking for an exact length, somewhere in there. And I know, Tim, you mentioned not wanting to say the word narrative, but I think it's also important to remember why we're designating these places. What's the point of the plaques? Is it just so we did it? We put a plaque up there? Or are we trying to tell a story of our town? And if we're trying to tell the story of our town, I think a narrative is something important to include with the designation. YODER: Yes, Ryan, I apologize. It's just that particular term. But I like stories and narratives. I'm a man of stories and narratives. Sorry about that. PRESTON: No, I guess yeah, just like I said, I just wanted to make that point that that is, again, as far as direction. And if we want to create a new workgroup to dig into this, we did put it within the Points of Interest workgroup, which I believe is what the item HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai13 we're currently focused on now. And if you guys want to check out, we can throw something on the agenda for next time to talk about redesignated this, if necessary, but it is the next step of the process. And it is something we'd like to pursue. YODER: Thank you, I'd like to be more of a part of that, I guess. If, my presence was welcome. Any other comments or questions on this? PRESTON: Just obviously, when you meet, it's got to be less than four people in a workgroup. YODER: The next item on the agenda is Review and Discussion Creating an Interactive Development Map using satellite photos, and I was wanting to do more research on public access to satellite photos, United States Government satellite photos. But I failed to be able to do that during this past month. So I'm going to have to come back to that. Next on the agenda, Future Speakers. Does anybody have any ideas for future speakers? PETERSON: Chairman Yes. I haven't gotten out too, haven't been able to get out to Fort McDowell and ask to see if I can get a speaker. Sorry about that a speaker to come out and talk about the history of the stolen trail and stuff like that. But I was also thinking maybe getting a speaker, I'll throw this out there. I know. They're not part of Fountain Hills, but the Yavapai people. And I know one person out there that does those tours. She's very knowledgeable about the tribe and their foundation here and their start in Fountain Hills, a deputy something that we could entertain. YODER: it'd be fine with me. We think Ryan? PRESTON: Yeah, we wouldn't stop you guys. If you guys wanted a speaker to come in, and you can get them in. We wouldn't. I wouldn't stop that. I know Amanda Jacobs with Economic Development, had a presentation she may want to get in and do so we can add that there. I think she's got a few points she wanted to bring up with the Commission. And that is town staff. So that'd be Amanda Jacobs. If we had nobody for next week. Next month. She'd be interested in getting in and doing a presentation. YODER: Okay, thank you. Anybody else, David? CORLETT: Just to Dave's point on Fort McDowell, that contact you may be referring to his close scene Lewis, who's the head of the Cultural Development Center. And she's ex officio on the museum board too. So, if you can't find her there, you can get her through the museum, for sure, but I'd be happy to share her email and phone number if you'd like that. HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai14 PETERSON: Yeah, David, that'd be great. I appreciate that. How do you spell her first name? CORLETT: C L I A M S S E N E. Lewis. PETERSON: Yeah, I would never have gotten that one. CORLETT: And her email just for the record is Clewis@fmyn.org. PETERSON: Thank you, David. YODER: Anything else on Future Speakers? Okay. The next item on the agenda is Future Agenda Items. I hope to make satellite photographs for a timeline. A point on the future agenda, next month's agenda. PRESTON: Nick will keep the workgroups on there for now, unless anybody has any reason not to, I would suggest Updating the Historical Status Workgroup, updating for some consideration and possible action regarding what's maybe approving the form. YODER: Yes, that's another that's another good agenda item is the completed form. Right now as so far as I have now will be available then. Perfect. PRESTON: Yeah, I just think right now it's currently under update. So we'll take that same if you guys feel you want to have the Points of Interest, if you feel within a month, that's enough time I understand that something that's going to take some time and some research so if we want to keep that just as an update for now, or if you want to put any action behind that the Points of Interest group with what you're looking for with that, but again, it's we understand that's work and that takes time. So, we want to say MEADE: we keep it open and just do the updates because they will probably take more time than just my first PRESTON: Sounds good. YODER: Anybody else? Okay, the next item on the agenda is the next History and Cultural Advisory Commission meeting which will be May 1 at 4 pm. Any comments or questions? All right, if there's no other further business, can I get a Motion to Adjourn? CORLETT: I Motion to Adjourn YODER: Can I get a second? MEADE: I'll second. YODER: All those in favor? ALL: Aye. YODER: Any opposed? HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2024 VERBATIM MEETING MINUES Transcribed by https://otter.ai15 WOODWARD: Six zero. YODER: The History and Culture Advisory Commission meeting is adjourned at 4:43 pm. Having no further business, Vice Chair Yoder adjourned the Regular Meeting of the History and Culture Advisory Commission on March 6, 2024, at 4:43 p.m. HISTORY AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION __________________________________________________ Susan Obst-Dworkis, Chair ATTEST AND PREPARED BY: ____________________________________ Patti Lopuszanski, Executive Assistant CERTIFICATION I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are a true and correct copy of the minutes of the History and Culture Advisory Commission held in the Town Hall Council Chambers on April 3, 2024. I further certify that the meeting was duly called and that a quorum was present. DATED this 8th Day of May 2024. Patti Lopuszanski, Executive Assistant ITEM 7. TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS STAFF REPORT    Meeting Date: 05/08/2024 Meeting Type: History and Culture Advisory Commission Agenda Type:                   Submitting Department: Community Services Prepared by: Patti Lopuszanski, Executive Assistant Staff Contact Information: Ryan Preston, Recreation Manager Request to History and Culture Advisory Commission (Agenda Language):  CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: National Register of Historic Landmarks Workgroup Update Staff Summary (Background) Attachments Historic Property Inventory Form May 8th Meeting Update  Form Review Form Started By: Patti Lopuszanski Started On: 05/01/2024 03:19 PM Final Approval Date: 05/01/2024  ITEM 8. TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS STAFF REPORT    Meeting Date: 05/08/2024 Meeting Type: History and Culture Advisory Commission Agenda Type:                   Submitting Department: Community Services Prepared by: Patti Lopuszanski, Executive Assistant Staff Contact Information: Ryan Preston, Recreation Manager Request to History and Culture Advisory Commission (Agenda Language):  CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: Insider/Fountain Hills Independent Workgroup Update Staff Summary (Background) Form Review Form Started By: Patti Lopuszanski Started On: 05/01/2024 03:31 PM Final Approval Date: 05/01/2024  ITEM 9. TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS STAFF REPORT    Meeting Date: 05/08/2024 Meeting Type: History and Culture Advisory Commission Agenda Type:                   Submitting Department: Community Services Prepared by: Patti Lopuszanski, Executive Assistant Staff Contact Information: Ryan Preston, Recreation Manager Request to History and Culture Advisory Commission (Agenda Language):  REVIEW AND DISCUSSION: Creating an Interactive Development Map Using Photos Staff Summary (Background) Historic Aerials that will be discussed by Commissioner Yoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o3Y9QJWclE&list=TLGGh3O5gxWd-68wMjA1MjAyNA&t=41s   Form Review Form Started By: Patti Lopuszanski Started On: 05/01/2024 03:33 PM Final Approval Date: 05/01/2024  ITEM 10. TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS STAFF REPORT    Meeting Date: 05/08/2024 Meeting Type: History and Culture Advisory Commission Agenda Type:                   Submitting Department: Community Services Prepared by: Patti Lopuszanski, Executive Assistant Staff Contact Information: Ryan Preston, Recreation Manager Request to History and Culture Advisory Commission (Agenda Language):  UPDATE: Future Agenda Items Staff Summary (Background) Form Review Form Started By: Patti Lopuszanski Started On: 05/01/2024 03:35 PM Final Approval Date: 05/01/2024  ITEM 11. TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS STAFF REPORT    Meeting Date: 05/08/2024 Meeting Type: History and Culture Advisory Commission Agenda Type:                   Submitting Department: Community Services Prepared by: Patti Lopuszanski, Executive Assistant Staff Contact Information: Ryan Preston, Recreation Manager Request to History and Culture Advisory Commission (Agenda Language):  REVIEW AND DISCUSSION: Future Speakers Staff Summary (Background) Form Review Form Started By: Patti Lopuszanski Started On: 05/01/2024 03:34 PM Final Approval Date: 05/01/2024  ITEM 12. TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS STAFF REPORT    Meeting Date: 05/08/2024 Meeting Type: History and Culture Advisory Commission Agenda Type:                   Submitting Department: Community Services Prepared by: Patti Lopuszanski, Executive Assistant Staff Contact Information: Ryan Preston, Recreation Manager Request to History and Culture Advisory Commission (Agenda Language):  UPDATE: Next History and Culture Advisory Commission Meeting June 5, 2024. Agenda Packet items due by May 22, 2024 Staff Summary (Background) Form Review Form Started By: Patti Lopuszanski Started On: 05/01/2024 03:36 PM Final Approval Date: 05/01/2024