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TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS
MINUTES OF THE WORK STUDY SESSION OF THE
FOUNTAIN HILLS TOWN COUNCIL
OCTOBER 13, 2015
* CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
Mayor Kavanagh called the Work Study Session to order at 5:30 p.m. in the Town Hall Council Chambers.
Present for Roll Call were the following members of the Town Council: Mayor Linda Kavanagh, Vice Mayor Dennis
Brown, Councilmember Nick DePorter and Councilmember Henry Leger. Councilmember Magazine arrived at the
meeting at 5:32 p.m. Town Manager Grady Miller, Town Attorney Andrew McGuire and Town Clerk Bevelyn
Bender were also present.
Councilmembers Cecil A. Yates and Cassie Hansen were absent from the meeting.
AGENDA ITEM #1 - PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION ON KEY PROJECT ELEMENTS REGARDING
THE POSSIBLE RELOCATION OF FIRE STATION NO. 2.
Town Manager Grady Miller addressed the Council and advised that before them this evening is a presentation on the
planned relocation of Fire Station No. 2. He noted that there are some "moving parts" that staff wants to tie down in an
effort to obtain consensus from the Council -- the first being the location. He reported that there are two locations for
their consideration, one on Shea Boulevard and one on Muskrat and Fountain Hills Boulevard. He stated that he
would now turn the discussion over to Chief Randy Roberts who will do a presentation on this agenda item.
Fire Chief Randy Roberts addressed the Council and noted that the presentation he will outline takes a brief look at
where they have been with this project, where they are currently at and where they hope to go with it. He provided the
Council with a brief presentation as follows (Copy available on line and in the office of the Town Clerk).
* History of Fire Station No. 2 (Built in 1997)
* Current Problem: Response Times/Call Volume Imbalance
* Remediation of the Problem
Relocation of Staffing
Applied for FEMA/ARRA Grant to Fund Construction of Relocation
Contracted with Rural/Metro to Position R823 at Eagle Mountain Area
Budget for Construction of the New Facility (Two Sites Identified)
* Selection Criteria for Fire Station Sites
* Site 1 (Shea Boulevard)
Advantages: Design is complete (some update required for Code change; meets response requirements and the
site is Town owned
Disadvantages: Small site restricts construction activity and station size; requires traffic signal on Shea
Boulevard (extra cost); More and faster traffic on Shea Boulevard (safety concern); New sewer line needed to
extend to Fountain Hills Boulevard (extra cost); Awkward fire truck access within the site - not a pull-through
garage; Challenging topography and construction site and it needs median reworked in Shea Boulevard.
* Site 1 Contours on Shea Boulevard
* Site 1 Floor Plan
* Neighborhood Integration
* Site 1 Ingress, Egress & Safety
* Site 2 (Fountain Hills Boulevard at Muskrat Drive
Advantages: Meets response requirements; Town owned; larger site supports a station that meets operation
requirements; Better access for fire trucks (3 bays and pull-through design); Major utilities in place; Share access
and cost with EPCOR; Lower traffic counts and speed on street and better public access.
Disadvantages: No design completed (Preliminary Study completed by Arrington Watkins Architects; Minor
median work on Fountain Hills Boulevard.
* Site 2 Neighborhood Integration
* Site 2 Ingress, Egress & Safety
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* Cost Comparison: Site 1 $3,125,000
Site 2 $3,022,000
FY 2015-16 CIP Budget $3,650,000
* Council Questions and Answers that have been provided
* Staff Recommendation - Site No. 2 at Fountain Hills Boulevard and Muskrat Drive
* Answers to Council Questions from the September 5, 2013 Council Meeting
* Fire Station #2 Relocation Study
* Elevations/Renderings
Chief Roberts indicated his willingness to respond to any questions from the Council.
Vice Mayor Brown referred to the cost to build and said that the report indicates that it would cost $3,125,000 for the
Shea site and asked if the $1,053,000 for the sewer is included in that cost and Chief Roberts confirmed that it was and
noted that the price includes all off-site utilities. He also confirmed that the $3,022,000 figure for Site 2 includes the
$276,500 as well as the $240,000 architectural fee. The Vice Mayor noted that there would be about a $100,000
savings to build on the Muskrat site and the Town paid approximately $130,000 for the architectural work on Shea.
Vice Mayor Brown reported that the up charge, including the architectural fees, is going to be approximately $30,000
to $35,000 to move it to a site that is easier to build on and more accessible. He asked whether that statement is
correct.
Paul Mood addressed the Council and pointed out that the Town has already paid approximately $130,000 for the
design on Shea and the Site 1 costs are rough numbers from the architect and about $100,000 more so it is really about
a wash.
The Vice Mayor advised that he is trying to get all of the totals and if they total in everything including the
architectural it is going to cost them $30,000 to $35,000 that they have already spent and Mr. Mood replied yes,
roughly speaking. Vice Mayor Brown added that to have a site with access to a back door would be worth that
amount.
Mr. Mood informed the Council that one of the challenges that he doesn't think the architect looked at when he looked
at the Shea site is he thinks that they are going to have to close a lane of traffic because he doesn't know how they
could stage it -- it is so narrow and hilly. He added that he is not sure whether they factored that into their cost or not.
Vice Mayor Brown asked whether they have a Traffic Study on Fountain Hills Boulevard and Mr. Mood responded
yes, the Town had Dibble & Associates look into an Emergency Vehicle Traffic Study and it came back that a traffic
light was not needed. He noted that there are a few scrubby trees in the right -of-way that when taken down will
provide greater site distance.
Town Manager Grady Miller interjected that it is his understanding that the traffic volume is about half of what it is on
Shea Boulevard and the traffic speed is going from 50 mph to 35 mph.
Mayor Kavanagh commented that she has brought this up before but wanted to mention it again -- the sewer. She said
she remembers back then that there were also questions about how they would actually run the sewer and discussion
about how they might have to go onto private property, which means they would have to get permission from some
homeowners.
Chief Roberts confirmed the Mayor's statement and advised that initially there were a couple of different routes -- one
of them was to pump up and around onto Palisades and that was deemed not feasible and another was to go down into
Firerock through some private property and access might have had to be obtained possibly through condemnation in
order to get down to that one. He noted that it would have been a much shorter run but it had the problems with the
property owners so the one they settled on was the one that went all the way down to Fountain Hills Boulevard.
The Mayor asked if the same design or a new design would be pretty much the same cost and Vice Mayor Brown
stated that if his math is correct the Town will pay approximately another $35,000.
Councilmember DePorter stated that based on the major differences in the advantages and disadvantages and the things
they were talking about earlier regarding access and safety, it seems to him that Site #2 is the most viable location to.
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He added that he would like to see them move forward with Site #2 and also continue the meetings with the
neighborhood since it is two years later and the Council is still interested in pursuing this. He said that it seems pretty
evident to him that Site #2 is the best site for the relocation.
Councilmember Leger advised that he is looking at #7 and the Muskrat estimated cost and asked when staff actually
received that estimate. Chief Roberts replied that it was received on June 30th of 2014.
Councilmember Leger commented on the fact that each year costs increase and so he was wondering how accurate and
realistic that cost is.
Mr. Mood responded that that is why the amount in the CIP is actually around $3.6 million, staff put a contingency
factor in and they are also going to try to reuse the generator that is at the current Fire Station and other equipment but
just in case they can't reuse the items, some money has been placed in budget for that purpose.
Mr. Miller noted that the same is true of the radio towers and Mr. Mood said that Rural Metro covers the towers and
hopefully tower relocation will take place.
Councilmember Leger asked whether the cost may go beyond what is being shown in the report and Mr. Mood
reported that that is true for either site.
Councilmember Leger commented on the fact that they have budgeted $3,650,000 for this project and asked how that
is being funded.
Mr. Mood advised that monies will come out of the Capital Projects Fund and, in addition, the area where Muskrat
would come across Fountain Hills Boulevard is actually owned by EPCOR. He explained that when it was MCO's
property, they allowed EPCOR access across the property. He noted that staff worked with the Town Attorney and
developed an Access Agreement with EPCOR, which still provides them that access and gives the Town liability
assurances. He further stated that they included in the Agreement a statement that says when this project moves
forward, they are going to look into putting the driveway straight across Muskrat and they will help with the cost (the
cost may actually come down a little bit because they are going to need to have a big retaining wall there and a lot of
earth work done, so the Town would share in that work hopefully with EPCOR).
Mr. Miller stated that the way the site plan looks, it appears that Muskrat will be kind of squared up with that driveway
more so than when they are driving right now and Mr. Mood concurred with Mr. Miller's statement. He added that one
of the issues is that right in front of that strip there is a large SRP cabinet and EPCOR will also share in the cost of
relocating that cabinet.
Councilmember Leger noted that based on what has been budgeted, the project could possibly come in costing less and
Mr. Mood concurred.
In response to a comment from Councilmember Leger, Mr. Mood explained that the Muskrat site included some office
space for MCSO (Maricopa County Sheriff's Office) and they were using the Law Enforcement Development Fee. He
added that in order to continue using that, they would have to redesign an office space if they tried to take the Shea site
down to it.
Councilmember Leger expressed the opinion that it is better to be realistic and come in on the high side rather than on
the low side. He pointed out that they have mentioned some cost savings measures and asked whether there are any
other measures that staff plans to explore.
Mr. Mood confirmed the Council that staff is always going to pursue cost savings measures with the architect -- the
most economical, cost effective ways of doing things that also meet the needs of the Fire Department. He said that
staff toured a new fire station in Gilbert and they had a lot of interesting things that the Town might want to look into
incorporating into their project.
Councilmember Leger, in closing, commented that the Council has looked at this for years and he is certainly on board
with the need for balance and dealing with response times . He added that at the time they looked at Site #1, Site #2
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was not available and, as Councilmember DePorter stated, Site #2 is clearly the better option and he too is on board
with moving forward with that location. He said that he is concerned and will reserve his judgment because of the cost
of this project.
Councilmember Magazine asked when they look at present zoning for the coverage area whether they have any sense
of what the population increase would be over a period of 5, 8 or 10 years.
Mr. Mood responded that currently staff does not have that information but realistically, they would have some minor
infill in Firerock, a little bit in Eagle Mountain and then Crestview and then more if a resort was ever built on the
property at Shea and Palisades, plus the development coming in for Adero Canyon -- those would be the major items.
Councilmember Magazine advised that he too agrees that Option #2 is by far the best relocation site and asked whether
any thought has been given to the possibility of future expansion (5, 8 or 10 years from now as far as topography and
everything else).
Mr. Mood replied that he believes the redesign at Muskrat would be built for the ultimate build -out -- it should not
need to be expanded.
Councilmember Magazine stated that he would like to know if the station ever did need to be expanded whether the
topography and everything else had been looked into.
Mr. Mood said that for the Shea site and the Muskrat site what has been sized is pretty much the biggest facilities t hat
could be placed on those parcels.
Councilmember Magazine requested that Mr. Mood discuss the grant application that was mentioned earlier and Chief
Randy Roberts stated that back in 2007 there was ARRA money available for shovel -ready projects and at that point
there were four different sites identified that were Town owned (one of the criteria they had to use). He added that as
they went through the process they found out that the one site on Shea was the only one that would meet their response
time criteria and that is why they went with that one and hired an architect to make it a shovel-ready project. He
further stated that staff feels that they were competitive right up until the very end and then they were not awarded the
grant.
Councilmember Magazine asked whether there is a grant out there now that the Town could apply for and use for this
project and the Chief responded not at the current time.
Councilmember Magazine pointed out that the site is going to be visible from some of the homes (the homes will be
looking down at it) and added that the closest one is currently for sale. He questioned whether there is anything the
Town could do in terms of plants, trees, bushes, etc., to help ensure that the homeowners are not looking directly down
at the building.
Chief Roberts responded that staff would love to do whatever they can with neighborhood outreach to find out what
they would like to see and get ideas about the architecture, design and the landscaping. He stressed that they want to
do whatever they can to minimize the impact of the station being relocated to that site. The Chief further stated that
they have not talked about the value of the existing fire station. He noted that it is a fine facility that could be re -used
for something for the Town or put up for sale. He added that it is a definite asset.
Mayor Kavanagh stated that this discussion has certainly been very comprehensive and will help the Council make
their decision. She said that the Council certainly appreciates receiving the recommendation because the safety of the
firemen and women who work there are a primary concern along with response times. She noted that they all know
that response times have been down and people who live in every part of Town deserve to have the same protection as
the rest of the Town. She advised that she agrees with what everyone has said and she would like to move forward
with this as soon as possible because it does take a long time for this type of project to be completed and she thinks
that is very important for their Town.
Town Manager Grady Miller expressed the opinion that the Mayor did a great job of wrapping up the meeting because
what he was going to do was ask for a consensus to move forward. He added that the next steps based on the fact that
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they do have consensus regarding moving forward will be to go through a RFQ (Request for Qualifications) process
for architectural and design services for this project . He stated that the next thing the Council will probably see come
forward will be the award of a contract but emphasized that staff has to follow a complex RFQ process as outlined in
State law. He advised that staff will do that and come back and along the way they will be keeping the Council aware
of what is going on. He further stated that Chief Roberts noted the importance of keeping the entire neighborhood
engaged and having them involved in the process as far as the appearance of the station. He also stressed the
importance of expending effort to mitigate any impacts on the neighborhood. He thanked the Council for their
consensus this evening and informed them that as they get closer down the pipeline, staff will also be coming back for
discussion and further direction on the disposition of the current Fire Station #2. He stated that staff has been looking
at it internally for repurposing and they really don't have anything identified yet. He said they will be coming back in
the future to present some recommendations for Council consideration and action.
AGENDA ITEM #2 - ADJOURNMENT
Vice Mayor Brown MOVED to adjourn the meeting and Councilmember DePorter SECONDED the motion, which
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY BY THOSE PRESENT (5-0). The meeting adjourned at 6:07 p.m.
TOWN OF FOUNTAIN HILLS
By _______________________________
Linda M. Kavanagh, Mayor
ATTEST AND
PREPARED BY:
_________________________
Bevelyn J. Bender, Town Clerk
CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are a true and correct copy of the minutes of the Work Study Session, held
in the Town Hall Council Chambers on the 13th day of October, 2015. I further certify that the meeting was duly
called and that a quorum was present.
DATED this 5th day of November, 2015.
_____________________________
Bevelyn J. Bender, Town Clerk