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MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING
OF THE FOUNTAIN HILLS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
FEBRUARY 14, 2022
1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND MOMENT OF SILENCE
Chairman Gray called the meeting of February 14, 2022, to order at 6:00 p.m.
2. ROLL CALL
Present: Chairman Peter Gray; Vice Chairman Scott Schlossberg;
Commissioner Clayton Corey; Commissioner Susan Dempster;
Commissioner Dan Kovacevic; Commissioner Roderick Watts, Jr.
Staff Development Services Director John Wesley; Town Attorney
Present: Aaron Arnson; Attorney John Paladini; Executive Assistant Paula
Woodward
3. CALL TO THE PUBLIC
4. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION: approving the regular meeting
minutes of the Planning and Zoning Commission
January 10, 2022.
MOVED BY Commissioner Susan Dempster, SECONDED BY Commissioner
Clayton Corey to approve the Planning and Zoning Commission minutes of the
Regular Meeting of January 10, 2022.
Vote: 6 - 0 - Unanimously
5. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE DIRECTION: regarding a site plan for Park
Place Phase II (16845 E. Avenue of the Fountains) and Phase Ill (13000 block of
N. Verde River, west side).
Mr. Wesley said that the site plans are for the Park Place phase II located at
16845 E Avenue of the Fountains and Phase Ill located at 13000 block of North
Verde River, West side. He explained that the Park Place (three-phase, five
building, mixed use project) overall development was approved by the Town
council in June of 2016. The overall master plan for the property included five
buildings, up to 420 dwellings and 43,000 square feet of commercial space.
The actual dwelling units were reduced to 380 and actual retail space to 41,000
square feet. The overall parking spaces are 150 more than required. He said
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that under the current Zoning Ordinance the Planning and Zoning Commission
and the Town Council do not typically review and take action on site plans.
However, the Development Agreement requirement is for the review and
approval by the Commission and Council. He noted that the Development
Agreement uses the term "Concept Plan" which has since been changed in
the Zoning Ordinance to "Site Plan." "Concept Plan" and "Site Plan" are one
and the same. Mr. Wesley said although the project appears to meet technical
requirements, specific issues would need to be resolved in order for the project
to move forward. Specific issues to resolve for Phase II, Building E & F are:
relocation of the electric boxes out of the right-of-way, solid waste enclosure
location, size and accessibility, water feature access and all required site plan
pages resubmitted with the approved plans. Staff is concerned with the Avenue
of the Fountains streetscape. Issues to resolve for Phase III, building B are:
relocation of the utility box-cannot be located in the right-of-way or Art Walk,
Fountain Hills Sanitary District Well, Paul Nordin Parkway right-of-way
abandonment, new Town parking lot spaces and need a complete plan
submittal.
Bart Shea, N-Shea Group, the Developer of Park Place, said that it is seven
years into the development and it was a two-year process to actually attain the
development agreement with the Town. Mr. Shea said that Park Place is
successful with 480 residential units and commercial. Currently, the
commercial is about 25% under current market for retail space. He said he is
providing all the tenant improvements for free. He said they are 100%
committed to the is project but in order to meet the parking requirements, the
Art Walk would have to be removed.
In response to Commissioner Dempster, Mr. Shea said that seventy-two
parking spaces would be gained by removing the Art Walk and the buffer area.
There are no issues with the current buildings.There is a
20% parking reduction allowed but are not acting on that. The site for
residential and commercial is 100% parked. If the Town wants to make an
amendment to parking it can be met.
Commissioner Dempster expressed concern that losing the buffer between the
project and Park Place was not a good idea. Some people bought in the "At
the Town Center" with the understanding a buffer would exist between the two
properties.
Commissioner Watts asked about the retention location.
Mr. Shea said that the retention area is underground. It is underneath the
parking area and pumps out to the Town storm drain.
In response to Chairman Gray, Mr. Wesley replied the current General Plan
2020 is applicable to this project. Mr. Wesley confirmed that, as stated in the
Development Agreement, the art fee for the Park Place project was reduced to
50% of the standard art fee charged to developers.
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Mr. Wesley said that the project was short 3 parking spaces. The requirement
is130 parking spaces.
Chairman Gray expressed concern regarding the commercial space in building
F. The site plan is not clear to how the public would access the area or even
know about it. In regard to the "marquis corner" located at AOTF and Saguaro
Blvd. he stated that he could not in good faith approve non-retail at the
location. He said there is not enough information regarding the continuity of the
facades between then and now. In regard to building B, he said it deserves
more than surface parking.
Mr. Shea said he believes he is not bound by the 2020 General Plan. In the
past, The Town Council made sure that retail would not park on that corner.
Parking would eat up too much of the area so that retail would not fit. It does
not make sense. The Town cannot handle as much retail as it thinks it can. He
said that he did not disagree but this is not a redesign. Today is to review the
site plan that it fits inside the Development Agreement.
In response to Commissioner Dempster, Mr. Shea said the buildings will be all
rentals. The average rent in Park Place is $1600 - $1800. It may not be
affordable but more affordable than a home or condo. Mr. Shea said he
believes the project is in conformance with the downtown TCCD. The current
Park Place commercial occupancy is 65%.
Discussion took place among the Commission regarding parking, commercial
below grade, continuity of the Avenue, permitted uses — residential and
commercial, development agreement and retail on the corner.
Mr. Shea pointed out to the Chairman that it is stated in the Development
Agreement "residential only in building F." He said all the commercial space
was used up on the other end of the Avenue. He said that he is asking for the
Commission to vote to recommend approval to the Town Council.
In response to Commissioner Corey, Mr. Wesley said that in the original land
use plan there were two parking lots called, "new Town parking" allocating 130
parking spaces. Due to circumstances out of Mr. Shea's control the 130
parking spaces were not possible. By changing the design, 127 parking places
would be possible. 130 spaces are required by the Development Agreement.
Some tweaks can be made to pick up the 3 spaces.
Larry Meyers, Fountain Hills resident, said that he doesn't care what the
development agreement says, the Art Walk needs to be done right. He said
that downtown will not become vibrant with a bunch of apartments. He
suggested that giving up the parking spaces is well worth making the Art Walk
tie in with the Centennial Circle.
Ed Stizza, Fountain Hills resident, said he would like to see the premiere corner
not become just corners of a building. That corner provides an iconic view. He
said he appreciates the Commission looking at this project in detail.
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Chairman Gray asked if Mr. Shea is interested in a continuance.
Mr. Shea said he didn't think he would have enough time for a continuance
before the DA expires. He said that he would be willing to make some changes.
Commissioner Kovacevic said he had a hard time going against the
development agreement. The Town should honor the agreement. The Art
Walk is a better plan then not and would agree to make parking
accommodations to allow for the Art Walk.
Commissioner Corey noted that there is a walk ability theme in the downtown
area. The Art Walk ties in with that idea. This is also a great way to preserve
some green space in Town.
Chairman Gray asked Mr. Wesley what he though about managing the
administrative process should the Commission provide changes.
Mr. Wesley replied that that things within the scope of work that are outlined in
the staff report are understood and ready to work through. The challenge would
be the location of additional commercial space in building F. There are a lot of
snowball effects that start happening that cannot be understood in order to take
action. The agreement is to get this project on the March 1, 2022 Town
Council meeting. There is not much timeframe to keep things on track for
March.
Mr. Wesley replied to Commissioner Watts that he was not sure Mr. Shea was
referring to early in the evening regarding deviations. There is a 20% parking
reduction allowed in the development agreement.
MOVED BY Vice Chairman Scott Schlossberg, SECONDED BY Chairman Peter
Gray to forward a recommendation to the Town Council to approve the site plan
for Park Place Phase II (16845 E Avenue of the Fountains) and Phase III located
at (13000 block of North Verde River) with the following stipulations: Return to
design of the Art Walk to the size shown on the 2016 approved Land Use Plan;
Amend the Development Agreement not to require the 130 Town Parking Lot
spaces or find alternatives for required spaces; Further by considering
"bookending" Avenue of the Fountains with F&B or similar Indoor/outdoor
interactive space mirroring the functional nature of the opposing corner: Prior to
the building permit issuance: Address all the items listed in the staff report in
revised final site plan for approval; Complete the abandonment of the Paul
Nordin Parkway right-of-way; complete and final any easements and
maintenance agreements as required by the Development Agreement.
Vote: 6 - 0 - Unanimously
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6. REVIEW, DISCUSS AND PROVIDE DIRECTION ON options for possible
ordinance language updating regulations for group homes.
Mr. Wesley stated that tonight's discussion is directed towards group homes
and associated regulations with that particular issue. The companion topic -
detox facilities is not part of tonight's presentation or discussion. Staff plans to
work on that issue and have it ready for the ready for next meeting.
Detoxification is a medical non-residential activity and is not permitted in
residential districts. The Town understands there is concern that some level of
detoxification may be taking place in sober living homes which would be a
violation. A person in a sober living home can be in a partial hospitalization
program and go to treatment away for the sober living home during the day.
Mr. Wesley provided definitions and requirements that will improve the
opportunity to enforce the proper use of group homes as a place of residence
not for treatment.
Mr. Wesley said that no changes have been made to the rules and regulations,
since the 1993 Town zoning ordinance. The industry has changed quite a bit
since then and warrants updates to the ordinance. Group homes have been
approved and in Town since at least 2005. There are 13 licensed and
approved group homes in Fountain Hills. Two sober living homes have
relocated and three new ones have been approved (1 assisted living, 2 sober
living). Mr. Wesley explained that the registration process begins with checking
the location meets the separation requirement. Once the application is
accepted and requirements met, an onsite inspection is performed by the Fire
Marshal and Building Official for life-safety compliance. The applicant is
required to have a state license and a Fountain Hills business license.
Mr. Wesley said recently there has been push back regarding requirements for
local registration of a few homes. Part of the enforcement process would be to
contact the property owner as means to obtain compliance. The Town has
worked with the State when it appears the home is operating outside the
allowances in the ordinance. It was suggested that the Town kick these homes
out or shut them down. The Town does not have the authority to just shut
down a sober living home. The Town largely relies on the State.
Mr. Wesley provided a fact sheet with details regarding the Fair Housing Act
and definition of community residence. He said the Town Attorney is present to
answer any questions.
Mr. Wesley reviewed possible amendments to the zoning ordinance definitions
in order to clarify allowed activities and address some of the citizens concerns
regarding the possible non-residential in these homes. He said it would assist
with future regulation and enforcement compared to the current limited
definition.
He recommended the following definition as a possible amendment change:
Community residence - A community residence is a residential living
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arrangement for five to ten individuals with disabilities, excluding staff, living as
a family in a single dwelling unit who are in need of the mutual support
furnished by other residents of the community residence as well as the support
services, if any, provided by the staff of the community residence. Residents
may be self-governing or supervised by a sponsoring entity or its staff, which
provides habilitate or rehabilitative services related to the residents' disabilities.
A community residence seeks to emulate a biological family to foster
normalization of its residents and integrate them into the surrounding
community. Its primary purpose is to provide shelter in a family-like
environment. Medical treatment is incidental as in any home. Supportive
inter-relationships between residents are an essential component. Community
residence includes sober living homes and assisted living homes but does not
include any other group living arrangement for unrelated individuals who are
not disabled nor any shelter, rooming house, boarding house or transient
occupancy.
Mr. Wesley said that further definition of a community residence can be based
on the distinction of the home: long-term residency is more similar to
single-family land use and short-term residency is less similar to single-family
land use. There would be some registration and regulation based on the
difference in community impact. The home cannot be regulated based on the
disability type.
He recommended the following subtypes to the definition as a possible
amendment change:
Family community residence - A community residence that is a relatively
permanent living arrangement with no limit on the length of tenancy as
determined in practice or by the rules, charter, or other governing documents of
the community residence. The minimum length of tenancy is typically a year or
longer.
Transitional community residence - A community residence that provides a
relatively temporary living arrangement with a limit on length of tenancy less
than a year that is measured in weeks or months, as determined either in
practice or by the rules, charter, or other governing document of the community
residence.
Mr. Wesley explained that there are regulatory requirements for homes. The
goal is to allow the homes but to prevent an over concentration that changes
the neighborhood setting. Currently, Fountain Hills requires a 1200 feet
separation between these homes. The distance ranges surveyed from other
cities and towns are from 800 feet to1320 feet. The recommendation would be
to maintain what is currently used in Fountain Hills. He said another regulatory
requirement is licensing. Not all community residences require a state license.
The recommendation would be to require a license or certificate from the State
of Arizona Department of Health or by the Arizona Recovery Housing
Association or "Permanent "Oxford House Charter. The Oxford House is a
national organization that has a set of recognized standards.
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As part of the application process, Mr. Wesley recommended that the following
information be required: if the property is rented, the property owner agree to
the use as a community residence; the scope of service provided; length of
residency; whether or not residents are ambulatory and acknowledge that
persons do not constitute a direct threat; agree to register any resident sex
offenders. More information would be required for a transitional community
residence, such as: providing a staff contact person in the event of
neighborhood concerns; require the contact person to provide staff with a
follow-up regarding how the compliant was addressed; a good neighbor policy
placing requirements on residents and visitors regarding issues such as
parking, noise, smoking, cleanliness of property and loitering; comply with ARS
36-2062 requirement to promote safety in the surrounding neighborhood. In
regard to the number of occupants, Mr. Wesley recommended a limit maximum
number of 8 residents in a single-family district. The Town would continue to
require life safety inspections prior to completing registration; allow up to 120
days to complete licensing or certification process; maximum 45 days to vacate
the property if a license/ certification is not received or revoked.
Mr. Wesley said that another item to consider is the waiver of reasonable
accommodation. To avoid legal issues, it would be helpful to establish a
procedure to address and process requests for waivers.
In conclusion, Mr. Wesley said that staff understands the concerns of citizens
about the current ordinance and the allowance of group homes. Although the
federal law requires that the Town provide and allow homes for residential use,
staff has recommended several amendments to the ordinance to address
citizen concerns. He said that staff is looking to the Commission for direction on
modifications to include in the revised ordinance.
In response to Commissioner Watts, Mr. Wesley said that currently in Fountain
Hills there are 9 assisted living homes which are geared toward senior living
and then there are 4 homes relating to sober living. The 9 homes would be
considered long-term living homes.
In response to Chairman Gray, Mr. Wesley explained that the suggested
number of occupants was derived by doubling the number of the maximum
amount of unrelated individual's occupied under one dwelling definition. A
family residence would be 12 or more months occupancy. A person setting up
a group home would tell us what a typical stay would entail in that group home.
Staff would be excluded from the occupancy number.
Mr. Wesley said in regard to Chairman Gray's concern regarding the
separation requirement. There are noise ordinances that apply to anyone and
would be applied the same if a violation exists in a group home.
Chairman Gray stated that he struggles to understand the difference in all the
protections that are afforded to an individual and how those same protections
are afforded to a commercial business entity.
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Jon Paladini, Town Attorney, said he was the city attorney in Prescott for nine
years, from 2013 to just recent. He explained the situation Prescott
experienced with sober living homes. At one point in Prescott, population of
about 40,000 people, had 225 sober homes. Prescott had two HUD
investigations and two DOJ investigations in attempts to regulate group homes,
similar to what Fountain Hills is trying to do here. Prescott was fortunate
enough to actually win or be exonerated, if you will, by those investigations. We
brought the HUD investigators to town and drove them around and showed the
clustering problem. Separation is an important piece when it comes to these
homes. Group homes for the disabled are intended to integrate disabled
persons into the society or into the neighborhood. If there is a clustering
problem or have clustering, it creates what are called social service zones or
institutionalized zones. So, the people of the disabled people are living
amongst just disabled people or the majority, and that's not the intent of the
Fair Housing Act. Prescott sort of invented, if you will, this distinction between
the family, community, residents and a transitional community residence.
They're both group home and considered group homes for the disabled.
Residences were allowed in single family residence or single-family zones by
right and the transitional residents were allowed in multifamily by right. The
reason for that is the transitional residences have a month to month or maybe a
yearlong residency which is more like multifamily housing where it's a lease,
and it's a year-to-year lease. Family community residences are more emulate
more of a family if you will, and so those are allowed in single family
residences. Prescott adopted a heavy layer of operational regulation, which
was taken away from the city by state law and now DHS regulates. What goes
on inside those four walls is regulated by Department of Health Services.
Chairman Gray said he appreciates the protection that the American
Disabilities Act (ADA) and the Fair Housing Act provide. He asked, how is that
same right afforded to a commercial business when they go out and seek to
acquire rent without having those individuals under their care already. So,
we've lost that direct relationship between the protection of the individual and
that individual's right to reside and migrated over to the business.
Mr. Paladini said that Individuals are protected by the Fair Housing Act. There
is something called a direct threat exclusion and that direct threat exclusion
excludes from that Fair Housing Act protection. People who are currently using
controlled substances, illegal controlled substances without a prescription and
other people who pose a direct threat, primarily parolees, could be considered
that and type two and three sex offenders. These types of folks cannot be
prohibited from being covered or being allowed in the group, in the Community
Residence center in town. This is a big concern and the group homes don't
want these individuals either. In court cases, the protections that apply to the
residents or the disabled persons to be able to have a combination of the Fair
Housing Act. The operator of that group home also has standing because
they're the ones providing the housing of a group home. The Oxford House
model that was mentioned by Mr. Wesley is unique. It is self-governed, there
isn't an outside operator. The house follows a charter from the Oxford House
Organization, and they run it themselves. Group home operators do have
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standing to seek injunctive relief and damages against a municipality that
doesn't provide the proper reasonable accommodation under the zoning code.
Generally, when it comes to lawsuits and challenges to regulations is it's the
operators that are bringing the suit. They may bring on board one or two of
their residents, as sort of named party. The operators are the ones that are
going to have the protection because they're the ones offering the residential.
In the case law says that group homes for the disabled are considered a
residence or residential use, but they have to emulate a family. When a
business operates one or more group homes, that business, the office of that
business or the headquarters of that business can't be operating out of the
residence, they have to operate in a commercial zone, an office zone or a
business zone. The residential component can be placed or is allowed to be
placed in the residential zone. There is that distinction between the two. So
when your business licensing the business, you can regulate the business
office, but I would not recommend licensing the individual homes because
they're considered residences.
Chairman Gray asked, isn't that what we're asking to do, though?
Mr. Paladini said that the tracking is primarily for that separation compliance.
The Department of Health services is regulating these sorts of operations
inside the home. The zoning code regulates the land used impact. If you have
four disabled persons living in a home, there is no regulation at all. They are
simply, as a matter of right. The five, eight or ten occupancy is where they
become group homes or community residences, depending on the type of
residency. Trying to push that top number down of occupants is tricky. Ten
occupants are a safe number, eight is a risk. Twelve occupants take it to
institutional living, so it can limit at ten with the possible reasonable
accommodation to eleven or twelve occupants. Once above that, it prohibits
that in residential zones. There are reasons why you have six, eight or ten
persons in a home that are required as part of the accommodation. Two main
reasons, particularly in a sober type home, are that from a therapeutic
standpoint, the higher occupancy number is actually better than a lower
number because it's a larger group. Studies show that a larger occupancy
number is better therapeutically. Another reasonable accommodation also
includes the financial ability to operate. The whole point is that the setting has
to emulate a family.
Mr. Paladini said that these homes are not allowed to provide partial detox or
some sort of medical care. The purpose of these homes is to be residential and
that's it. They cannot provide more than what would normally transpire in a
regular family environment. The distribution of medication can happen to some
degree, just like parents distribute medication to their kids, whether it's
prescription or not.
Chairman Gray asked, where is the line between detoxification and sober
living? Is there a municipal level zoning level consideration?
Mr. Paladini said to be careful using terminology. He said detoxification is a
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five-to-seven-day process. The addict goes through a five-to-seven-day
chemical, medically supervised detox.The first five to seven days detoxification
is full hospitalization. They don't get to go home at night. The addict stays in
the clinic or the facility for the five to seven days to medically detoxify off of
whatever the addiction is. Then they go into this treatment facility an intensive
in-house facility for 30 to 40 days. They are managing the addiction. There the
other model described is a partial hospitalization. If the partial hospitalization is
two components, a residential component and a medical component, the
medical component must be conducted from a land use standpoint. In a
business office, commercial or wherever medical treatment is allowed clinical
type facilities. The residential component is strictly in residential zones. The
Community residence is where they watch TV, sleep, shower, eat there may be
some type of group therapy The function of the group home is supposed to
emulate a family. It's not intended to be a clinical setting. if you have that
operation where you have the medical treatment here and the residential
component here, the residential component is allowed in your residential
zones.
Chairman Gray stated that the jurisdiction in this case is the Department of
Health Services.
Mr. Paladini said it is not. It is actually the zoning code. If it violates the zoning
code then that's a code enforcement matter. The challenge is discovering
what's going on in the home. The state licensing of those sober homes
prohibits any kind of clinical therapeutic treatment in the home. It's intended to
regulate the operation in the residential home. The reason that state law came
into effect was precisely what Mr. Wesley was talking about. In Prescott, it was
discovered that they were inadequately operated. The city regulated it and then
the state stepped in. Once it's discovered through your collaboration with the
Department of Health Services that the operator is running or is operating
something other than a residence in that residential zone, then code
enforcement action is taken. The regulations that Mr. Wesley is proposing will
help. If somebody is doing something in one of those homes that's not allowed
or if the neighbor suspects, they are going to let the Town and Community
know.
Vice Chairman Schlossberg asked about occupancy limit enforcement.
Mr. Paladini said that's a tough one. There is the ability to regulate through the
building code and typically two persons per bedroom is allowed. In a
3-bedroom house, even though their upper limit would be eight or ten
occupants, it is possible to limit those people to six because you're allowing two
people per bedroom. The general rule of thumb is for every 70 square feet of
space, you can have one person.100 square foot bedroom, 10' by 10', which is
kind of typical is two people. That's the other way you would want to look at
and limiting that number of persons because it's a quality-of-life issue for those
people. It's undesirable to put two bunk beds in a 10' by 10' room and cram,
eight to ten people into a two-bedroom house. It's not allowed for beds to be
put in the living room, garage or things like that. That is another tool in the
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toolbox to regulate the number of people to a home. The only way to enforce
any of this is to find out about it and be able to prove it. It's the way the system
works.
Chairman Gray asked Mr. Paladini what was his experience in Prescott with
reasonable accommodation.
Mr. Paladini replied that Prescott's top number was twelve occupants for the
Community residences. It was six to eight occupants so one through five was
a matter of right. Prescott rarely got requests because once above twelve
occupants, it's a real burden to prove that more than twelve is needed. More
commonly asked was to make a reasonable accommodation to the separation
buffer. A significant number of the "fly by night" operators disappeared because
insurance no longer paid, it is mostly all out of pocket.
In response to Chairman Gray, Mr. Paladini said that a reasonable
accommodation request would be handled administratively. A public meeting
or hearing would not be part of the process since the address remains
confidential. A staff member is appointed to review and approve/deny the
request. There are two primary reasons for reasonable accommodation;
financial viability and therapeutic reasons.
In response to the Commission, Mr. Paladini said that the Prescott model is
exactly what John has proposed in the staff report.
Commissioner Watts asked if there is a way to tie the demographics, the
census data, to zoning and say that the average in this particular locale is three
occupants, and so the maximum is three. He said he would like to see the
occupancy numbers lower than what staff proposed.
Mr. Paladini said that there are two different measurements. A family that's
related by blood or marriage has an unlimited number of people that can live in
a residential zone, an unrelated group of people is up to four as a matter of
right. The five to eight occupants are what is really the reasonable
accommodation. That's the first step in reasonable accommodation. To allow
for disabled people to live in the community, four is a matter of right. Five to
eight occupants are aggressive.Ten occupants is a safe number. Five to ten
occupants are the sweet spot when it comes to being able to defend
challenges. . It is limited by the number of bedrooms in the house. A
3-bedroom house, will have six occupants, two people to each room. If there's a
seven-bedroom house, the cap is eight to ten occupants. In a three-bedroom
house, the six occupants do not include the manager.
Commissioner Watts asked if it is mandatory for the manager be on site 24/7?
Mr. Paladini said that there are two ways the manager can act: as a shift
worker or as the manager living there. Typically, there is one house manager
and six to seven residents. The manager is able to leave the house to do
whatever normal people do when they leave the house. Since four occupants is
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a matter of right, six would be risky. Most challenges come from the upper
number, eight to ten unrelated living together and the separation requirement.
The eight, ten and twelve occupant number is justifiable because it is
supported by studies that show eight to twelve people are financially
supportable and it is a good therapeutic number. The distance buffer is used to
prevent clustering and allow the integration of the residents in the community.
The buffer separation applies to all group homes not just sober living.
In response to Vice Chairman Schlossberg, Mr. Paladini confirmed that based
on the separation buffer requirement in Fountain Hills, it would be possible for
twenty-five sober living homes to exist at one time in Town. As long as they
meet the requirements, they are allowed.
Mr. Paladini mentioned that a bill was introduced last week allowing no
restrictions to buffer zones for cities and towns or an amendment to no more
than 500 feet.
Chairman Gray asked for clarification regarding the transitional component.
Mr. Paladini said that if these residential components are a week to ten days,
they are not residential. The intent of a residential sober home is a transition
from the treatment facility, whether it's in house or that partial hospitalization, to
living on their own. It is a three-to-six-month transition. It's something the Town
will want to look in to. He said he thinks it's worthwhile to say if this partial
hospitalization operations are using homes for seven to ten days, then it's
closer to Airbnb's than it is to a group home for the disabled. A transitional
community residence is relatively short. It's really a transient stay. This is
something staff can look in to and is an interesting twist.
Chairman Gray said that he would like staff to look into the transitional
community residence.
Commissioner Watts said that to the point of the seven to ten days, there are
organizations that have what they refer to as intensive outpatient programs.
Residents work during the day and in the evening, they migrate to these
houses. That's a sudden influx of people. How is that regulated.
Mr. Paladini replied that it really doesn't fit into a group home for the disabled.
Even though these folks aren't disabled, it doesn't emulate a family. It's more
like an Airbnb rental. If there are violations on the premise such as narcotics
use, they're not protected by Fair Housing Act. The house and the occupants
may lose their protection. Under Fair Housing Act it's no longer a group home.
Now it's just a party house, for instance. The code enforcement tools would be
used for disorderly conduct type issues or laws. There was a concern in
Prescott that this was going to happen, so they adopted a disturbance or
disorderly residence ordinance. The process included law enforcement showing
up a certain amount of times equaled the property owner charged a fee. These
types of ordinances are often found in college towns. Prescott just looked at
some and tweaked it to fit Prescott. Bottom line is if they are in violation, they
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are no longer protected under the Fair Housing Act. They are considered a
direct threat. Mr. Paladini said in his opinion, if it is throughout the entire house,
they could lose their zoning group and report them to the Department of Health
Services. The zoning code, code enforcement, building code, law enforcement
and the Department of Health Services are all multiple tools that can be
cobbled together and used as appropriate.
Dr. Carol Rogala, said that she has been in practice for 27 years, board
certified in emergency medicine, addiction medicine and primary care
psychiatry. She said that this is big business. There are lists of all the people •
who own sober livings, and they're passed around the rehab community. Their
rehab community includes people like myself, drug counselors and the patients
themselves and various social workers. If an individual cannot pay, they are
tossed out. There are lines of people waiting to get in. She said that the term
Intense outpatient sounds confusing when you hear the words. It is 3 hours a
day of counseling for 3 or 4 days. A lot of times this is set up by the court
system. A lot of these people have been to detox and then go to sober living.
They've been court-ordered to do various things. If they don't, depending on
whatever their conviction was, they can get into a lot of trouble. So intense
outpatient, they're not seeing a doctor. There's no medical care, even though it
says outpatient, it's counseling. As far as a detox facility here and maybe there
are plans for another one, but the truth of the matter is well over 90% of
patients are done outpatient There is no reason for these luxury rehabs other
than people have money, and they do it.
John Kavanagh, State Representative and Fountain Hills resident, said this
situation is one of the worst threats he has ever seen to Fountain Hills. He said
that the first thing to is to push the envelope in terms of regulations and laws.
He said that if an attorney says there is a 70% chance of losing, that's a 30%
chance of winning. It's worth the effort to do that. He said he spent six years on
the Fountain Hills Town Council and always said to the attorneys "stop telling
me what I can't do, tell me what I can do for our community." The second thing
is to be prepared to defend this in court. Ensure that the Town Council is totally
behind & pushing the envelope - doing all they can. If not, the Town's
reputation is that they roll over on these issues. The third is something
residents have to do if they live near one of these homes, they must document
problems. In court documentation is key. He said he met with residents and an
enforcement person from the Department of Health Services. The meeting
resulted in some potentially valuable information about these sober living
homes doing more than they're supposed to be doing, and about the
qualifications of a supervising doctor. The enforcement person from the
Department of Health Service promised to investigate. In addition, it was
learned that unfortunately, sex offenders can't be kept out of a sober living
home, but they must be on the registry. The bottom line is this is a big threat to
the Town. The Town has to do whatever it can reasonably to keep the
ordinances strong and enforce them strong. It needs the backing of a Town
Council who ultimately have to pass these rules, tell staff to adopt those
regulations and stick behind them, even if it means a court battle. He said that
he wants Fountain Hills to be safe and do whatever it takes to keep it safe.
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Cathy Marx, Fountain Hills resident, said that she lives on East Nicholas Drive,
two houses away from a practicing sober living home. They're practicing how
to live soberly, which means mistakes. She said she was told that a drug drop
off was observed in front of her house..She said she asked people who find
drug paraphernalia to collect it. She held up a bag with items found in the
neighborhood. She said this is the reality of citizens and is so tired of
law-abiding, taxpaying citizens having no rights, everyone seems to have more
rights than we do. So that's being said, we are documenting. She said the
collection she held up in the bag was only two weeks' worth. She said she is
glad these were collected before a child picked it up and put it in its mouth.
That's what we're living with. She thanked the Commission and said keep up
the good work, it is appreciated.
Larry Myers, Fountain Hills resident, said this situation is similar to what he
experienced in Austin, TX. He said Miss Marks is right because the Fair
Housing Act and the Americans for Disabilities Act, while saying they are
creating equality, are creating greater equality for the disabled. He recently
spoke with Mr. Wesley regarding one of the sober living homes. Mr. Wesley
informed him that the Town does not have the authority to shut them down and
referred him to the state agency. He said that when he called the State, he
found out there was only one person working down there and they would look it
to it. That conversation took place on February 1st. He said he supports what
Representative Kavanaugh said about pushing the envelope. The citizens have
as many rights as do the disabled. We are equal. It is about equality.
Crystal Cavanaugh, Fountain Hills resident, said that she supports the
Commission for trying to provide the residents with protective ordinances,
specifically outlining requirements for these group homes to slash home based
businesses within the residential neighborhoods, including businesses. She
said that the state is the entity providing the oversight and monitoring of these
licensed sober living homes, but this is an illusion. When she called the
Arizona Department of Health Services, she found out that the state has no
regular monitoring of the homes other than a yearly visit, and clearly not
enough staff assigned to achieve this. There is one man, Wesley Sisson, who
is solely responsible for overseeing the ever-growing sober living industry
located within our residential neighborhoods. One man for all of Arizona. These
yearly visits are actually scheduled in advance. They're not even spontaneous.
The homes know precisely when the state is coming, how difficult is it to be in
compliance for one day when the homes are given you a heads-up. The sober
living licensing stipulates these homes must not provide the clients with any
onsite medical or clinical services or medication administration. The state
determines that a current medication list for a recovery client is on file, but they
don't actually monitor which medications are being provided and where this
even occurs. Currently, there are no local oversight of these sober living
homes. Where is the accountability for the clients, the neighbors and the
community? Local code enforcement is limited by whether they have obtained
their $50 business license and the clustering of homes. And of course, we're
always threatened with interference or discrimination towards the protective
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group even when it's not the case. This is an unacceptable level of monitoring
that our community is told to depend on and we desperately need to be allowed
some level of oversight at the local level, in addition to modifications of state
regulations for the benefit of all involved, as Representative John Kavanaugh
indicated, a small group of us have been addressing concerns with him and
others from the state. Hopefully, some resolution can occur and the ordinances
put forth from tonight are the strongest possible to be used as a valuable tool
towards achieving some level of equitable accountability.
Liz Gildersleeve, Fountain Hills resident, thanked the Commission for leading
the issue of stronger ordinances in our Town for sober homes and
detoxification facilities. Stronger ordinances and regulations will only benefit
homeowners and the neighborhoods. From the Town's current lack of strong
ordinances and minimal oversight, these recovery businesses have been
working overtime the last few months to paint themselves as saintly victims
whose only desire is to help people with drug and alcohol addictions. To the
Fountain Hills residents in this room, there is no shame in asking your Town
officials to better regulate and oversee the sober homes in your neighborhoods
and be proactive about violations. Continue to speak up, ask questions,
demand action and accountability. No one moved to Fountain Hills to be
surrounded by sober homes. She said she thoroughly enjoyed hearing the
discussion tonight and is hopeful that the Town staff will work with the
Commission to finally put pen to paper and create fearless, bold,
detailed-oriented ordinances that will benefit the Town.
Steve Baggio, Fountain Hills resident, said that Fountain Hills does not need
any more sober homes in a Town with a population of 24,000 and with a large
population of seasonal residents. Regulations and zoning restrictions need to
be in place so that our neighborhoods can become more family orientated and
not filled with sober homes in short-term vacation rentals in every block. There
is a problem with people and families trying to find homes for sale in this Town
as is and do not need to add to this problem. Many of us left big cities and big
city problems to live in Fountain Hills. If the Town allows more sober homes,
Fountain Hills will lose its charm and the small town feel that we all adore. Let
us work together to make Fountain Hills the great Town it should be, and not to
let it turn into decay and a half-empty urban wasteland of a town that motorists
hit the gas pedal when they approach. He asked the Commission to do what's
in the best interest of saving our neighborhoods and not lining the pockets of
business operators that live nowhere close to Fountain Hills.
Chairman Gray thanked the speakers and the public for attending the meeting.
Mr. Paladini noted the Town can preclude or prohibit level 2 and 3 sex
offenders from residing in any of the homes.
Chairman Gray said he is in agreement with the following: clarification of the
definitions, number of occupants, family cap at four occupants, the group home
cap at eight occupants. He said he would like to see the transitional home cap
at six occupants. He said the 1200 feet separation is essential because of the
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Town topography. The addition of the prohibition of level 2 and 3 sex
offenders.
Commissioner Watts agreed with Chairman Gray but suggested that the six
occupants should include the manager.
Commissioner Kovacevic suggested that the categories be clearly stated in the
ordinance. He suggested three categories: less than 30 days stay in a more
restricted zoning class, 30-to-365-day stay would fall under a multi-family and
greater than 365 days would fall under a single-family zoning district. He
agreed that the manager should count as one of the six occupants.
In response to Commissioner Dempster, Mr. Wesley said that the definition
"Community Residence" term is used throughout the industry. Although the
definition says "self-governing", the ordinance can be written to include staff in
the total number of occupants.
Chairman Gray asked that the Town's legal department look into the definition
of the 7 to 14 days stay range which seems to be the model in Fountain Hills
today. He asked if the proof of insurance information can be requested during
the application process.
Commissioner Watts noted that at a previous meeting a Commission
discussion decided that an additional insurer be named as a Fountain Hills
requirement.
Commissioner Dempster noted that the application needed revisions.
In response to Chairman Gray, Mr. Wesley confirmed that there is a two-week
notification requirement, to schedule an earlier meeting would be challenging.
In response to Commissioner Watts, Chairman Gray replied that a moratorium
cannot be placed on sober living homes.
Chairman Gray concluded the discussion by saying there was no motion or
vote to be made. He thanked the public, Staff and the Commission for their
time.
7. COMMISSION DISCUSSION/REQUEST FOR RESEARCH to staff.
None.
8. SUMMARY OF COMMISSION REQUESTS from Development Services Director.
None.
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Mr. Wesley said he would be reviewing the Commissions input regarding the
group homes. He said that he will present the updates to the ordinance
regarding group homes at the next meeting scheduled on March 14, 2022.
9. REPORT from Development Services Director.
None.
10. ADJOURNMENT
The Regular Meeting of the Fountain Hills Planning and Zoning Commission
held February 14, 2022, adjourned at 10:16 p.m.
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CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are a true and correct copy of the minutes of the
Regular Meeting held by the Planning and Zoning Commission, Fountain Hills in the Town Hall
Council Chambers on February 14, 2022. I further certify that the meeting was duly called and
that a quorum was present.
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